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#21 Seth Stohs

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Posted 06 May 2018 - 08:31 PM

 

That's unlikely to be a problem we will have to concern ourselves with.

 

The reality is, Jax is 23 years old (he's one month younger than Kohl Stewart) and hasn't thrown 40 innings since the Twins drafted him. He's made four starts in low A ball. He's really not a prospect anymore but more a feel-good story.

 

He is absolutely a prospect. I'm pretty certain he would be in my Top 40 and I'm thinking by the end of the year, he could be much higher. Age just isn't a factor right now for him. He's young, he's been in college, he's got a big arm and good stuff... 

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#22 darin617

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Posted 06 May 2018 - 09:51 PM

 

He is absolutely a prospect. I'm pretty certain he would be in my Top 40 and I'm thinking by the end of the year, he could be much higher. Age just isn't a factor right now for him. He's young, he's been in college, he's got a big arm and good stuff... 

How old would a player be if he played his full college career? 22 or 23 depending on how old he was when he graduated high school.

 

No reason why he can't become a major league pitcher. It took Jake Arrieta until he turned 28 to figure it out. Whether that was due to a pitching coach or that he finally matured at what turns out to be a late age. No one knows.


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Posted 06 May 2018 - 10:21 PM

 

How old would a player be if he played his full college career? 22 or 23 depending on how old he was when he graduated high school.

 

No reason why he can't become a major league pitcher. It took Jake Arrieta until he turned 28 to figure it out. Whether that was due to a pitching coach or that he finally matured at what turns out to be a late age. No one knows.

 

Brian Dozier. Mitch Garver. Trevor Hildenberger. There are just three examples of players who have gone to four (or five, in Hildenberger's case) years of college.  

 

Dozier was in the big leagues less than three years later. Garver took just over three years. Hildenberger was almost exactly three years. 


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Posted 06 May 2018 - 10:39 PM

 

I may be the only one asking this question, but I feel it needs to be asked. The taxpayers paid for Jax to attend the Air Force Academy because he signed a contract and swore an oath to protect and defend the United States of America for 4 years in the Air Force after graduating from the U.S. Air Force Academy. Now, less than 1 year after his graduation,the taxpayers are paying Jax's salary, not to serve in the Air Force the remaining 3 years of his commitment, but rather the taxpayers are paying him $50,000 a year to play minor league baseball because he is a world class baseball player? Just asking.

The military has a demand for fit, athletic people to join the ranks, and currently about 75% of the graduating HS seniors are disqualified for fitness, drug, or legal issues. The World Class Athlete program is good advertising, and for every one that is in the program there are probably 30 more who will join because they know that signing on the dotted line isn't signing away the pro dream.

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Posted 07 May 2018 - 07:23 AM

 

What???

 

We could say the same of any draft pick as there is no such thing as a "sure thing", and yes that means even the chosen one that is known as Royce. But I have to ask, and yes I know I will regret this... but what the heck does that even mean? Do you not like the fact that his obligation to his country has prohibited him, until now, to throw lots of innings in the minors?  

 

The guys has loads of talent given his high draft status and for you to so cavalierly sit there and declare him "not a prospect" because of his "advanced age" of 23 years and lack of innings thus far... well you'll have to excuse me for coming to the defense of my fellow brothers in arms.

 

In closing, I apologize in advance if I misinterpreted your statement, if I did not... please do not speak ill of those who serve. It does not sit well with me.

This came up when the Twins drafted him. The assumption was that he could serve his two years of service in the reserves and still pitch full time for the Twins. It was a risk since those rules could be - and were - changed. So the Twins thought they'd have Jax around a lot more when the drafted him. If he could have played with the Twins, he was a solid 3rd round pick. But because he's missed so much time, it's really hurt him.

 

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Sure, there are no sure things in the drafts but it's always better to bet on players who are actually playing baseball, like Lewis. Right now, Jax hasn't played much. When he has, he hasn't actually been all that dominant (I made the comparison to Stewart for a reason - Stewart is getting raked over the coals for his low K-totals in AA, Jax has worse K totals in low A). He's old for a prospect. Sure, there are old players who figured it out but it's not a thing you want to rely on.

 

Lastly, this is a minor league baseball forum. We're talking about players in our system. Occasionally, we get feel-good stories here, especially from Seth. But generally this is about talking about these guys as prospects. There are a lot of really good guys in the minors who won't make it and only occasionally is that mentioned. I don't think you should expect people to not say what they think about Jax the prospect just b/c you might be overly sensitive to it. Saying a guy with his profile isn't really a prospect anymore isn't that controversial.


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Posted 07 May 2018 - 09:28 AM

 

Fair enough. I won't say that I agree with your view point, but I do respect it. My only real umbrage with your point was my initial (and most likely incorrect) take that he was being cast down upon simply for being a service member and being put behind the developmental learning curve because of it.

 

It appears that is not the case, and as such you have my thanks for taking a moment to explain it as such. That being said, I hope he can make up some for lost time and get back on track but I won't disagree that the odds may be against him though.


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Posted 07 May 2018 - 09:34 AM

 

 

That being said, I hope he can make up some for lost time and get back on track but I won't disagree that the odds may be against him though.

Ohyeah, me too. I'd love it if he managed to make me eat crow and become a ML pitcher for us. I'm rooting for him.

 

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Posted 07 May 2018 - 10:14 AM

 

The military has a demand for fit, athletic people to join the ranks, and currently about 75% of the graduating HS seniors are disqualified for fitness, drug, or legal issues. The World Class Athlete program is good advertising, and for every one that is in the program there are probably 30 more who will join because they know that signing on the dotted line isn't signing away the pro dream.

 

Not to mention they changed the rules on him after the fact. That hardly seemed fair. 


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Posted 07 May 2018 - 10:32 AM

 

Not to mention they changed the rules on him after the fact. That hardly seemed fair. 

The military changes rules all the time. I know on enlistment contracts there is some clause that you agree that if any promises have been made other than what is stipulated in the contract, they aren't binding. I don't remember the exact wording, but I'm sure the officers have a similar clause for commissioning.


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Posted 07 May 2018 - 10:55 AM

 

The military has a demand for fit, athletic people to join the ranks, and currently about 75% of the graduating HS seniors are disqualified for fitness, drug, or legal issues. The World Class Athlete program is good advertising, and for every one that is in the program there are probably 30 more who will join because they know that signing on the dotted line isn't signing away the pro dream.

If 30 more sign up with the Air Force Academy that will cost US taxpayers 30 x $100,000 for the cost of 4 years at this elite academy...which is $3,000,000 for their educations then $50,000 per year for these 30 to play baseball while in the US Air Force. That's $1,500,000 more tax dollars to pay these "world class athletes" to play baseball for 1 year. 4 years of this would be $6,000,000. Add that to the cost of the education and you get a grand total of $9,000,000 for these 30 "world class athletes" to do what Griffin Jax will be doing, minus his 1 year of actual service in the military. Let's hope these 30 don't each attract 30 more world class athletes to attend the Air Force Academy. 


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Posted 07 May 2018 - 11:09 AM

If 30 more sign up with the Air Force Academy that will cost US taxpayers 30 x $100,000 for the cost of 4 years at this elite academy...which is $3,000,000 for their educations then $50,000 per year for these 30 to play baseball while in the US Air Force. That's $1,500,000 more tax dollars to pay these "world class athletes" to play baseball for 1 year. 4 years of this would be $6,000,000. Add that to the cost of the education and you get a grand total of $9,000,000 for these 30 "world class athletes" to do what Griffin Jax will be doing, minus his 1 year of actual service in the military. Let's hope these 30 don't each attract 30 more world class athletes to attend the Air Force Academy.


The US military spends about $700 million per year on print, digital, and tv advertising.
It seems to me this is a much more efficient means of attracting recruits than a TV ad.
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Posted 07 May 2018 - 11:10 AM

Some folk get too caught up with age (I guess because it is easy to measure and compare?)This guy is a legit prospect, regardless of age.

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Posted 07 May 2018 - 11:28 AM

 

If 30 more sign up with the Air Force Academy that will cost US taxpayers 30 x $100,000 for the cost of 4 years at this elite academy...which is $3,000,000 for their educations then $50,000 per year for these 30 to play baseball while in the US Air Force. That's $1,500,000 more tax dollars to pay these "world class athletes" to play baseball for 1 year. 4 years of this would be $6,000,000. Add that to the cost of the education and you get a grand total of $9,000,000 for these 30 "world class athletes" to do what Griffin Jax will be doing, minus his 1 year of actual service in the military. Let's hope these 30 don't each attract 30 more world class athletes to attend the Air Force Academy. 

 

Reality is those 30 aren't very likely to actually get drafted by a professional team or approved for the world class athlete program, though. Just knowing they have the option if they're eventually good enough helps avoid losing quality recruits who otherwise don't want to give up on their athletic potential at the age of 18. It's a net benefit to the academies and it's a drop in the bucket for overall spending.

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Posted 07 May 2018 - 12:03 PM

 

Some folk get too caught up with age (I guess because it is easy to measure and compare?)This guy is a legit prospect, regardless of age.

 

Because pitchers lose velocity as they age. Because he's not really pitched much in 1-2 years. Because he's not in A ball yet (though will be). Age matters. A lot. 

There's always next year, or the next, or maybe by the time I'm Chief's age, I guess....


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Posted 07 May 2018 - 01:26 PM

Maybe because he hasn't pitched much the last couple years, he will "age" slower

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Posted 07 May 2018 - 01:46 PM

Add that to the cost of the education and you get a grand total of $9,000,000 for these 30 "world class athletes"

Which works out to something under 3 cents for every man, woman and child in the country. Three cents here, and three cents there, for this program and that, and pretty soon you're talking about a whole dollar. :) All in all, there are other reasons to debate this military policy than monetary.

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Posted 07 May 2018 - 07:02 PM

 

If 30 more sign up with the Air Force Academy that will cost US taxpayers 30 x $100,000 for the cost of 4 years at this elite academy...which is $3,000,000 for their educations then $50,000 per year for these 30 to play baseball while in the US Air Force. That's $1,500,000 more tax dollars to pay these "world class athletes" to play baseball for 1 year. 4 years of this would be $6,000,000. Add that to the cost of the education and you get a grand total of $9,000,000 for these 30 "world class athletes" to do what Griffin Jax will be doing, minus his 1 year of actual service in the military. Let's hope these 30 don't each attract 30 more world class athletes to attend the Air Force Academy. 

There will be no additional cost to taxpayers. There will just be 30 marginal candidates who will have to attend college elsewhere.(OK, I guess there will be $15 postage plus the cost of printing 30 more rejection letters.)

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Posted 07 May 2018 - 07:04 PM

 

Because pitchers lose velocity as they age. Because he's not really pitched much in 1-2 years. Because he's not in A ball yet (though will be). Age matters. A lot. 

 

Do we know the loss of velocity is due to aging, not wear and tear?


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Posted 07 May 2018 - 08:05 PM

 

Do we know the loss of velocity is due to aging, not wear and tear?

 

"know"? good question.....but do you think athletes get more or less athletic, as they age?

 

From what I've read, its both, but hard to say how much is from what cause. And yes, there are plenty of examples of gaining velocity as you age, just as there are many more showing it drops. 

There's always next year, or the next, or maybe by the time I'm Chief's age, I guess....


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Posted 08 May 2018 - 11:05 AM

 

"know"? good question.....but do you think athletes get more or less athletic, as they age?

 

From what I've read, its both, but hard to say how much is from what cause. And yes, there are plenty of examples of gaining velocity as you age, just as there are many more showing it drops. 

 

Does athleticism contribute to pitch speed?




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