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#1 Vervehound

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 11:27 AM

twins have done a great job tanking for the second year in a row and would currently own the third overall pick next year would the season end today. unfortunately, the 2013 draft doesn't look particularly strong but there does seem to be a consensus that appel, stanek from arkansas and manaea from indy st are the top three arms available and we'd be guaranteed a shot at one of them at no. 3.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 11:45 AM

Kharsten Whitson could also be the guy, but i'm all for best player available. Justin Williams an OF from Louisiana looks pretty impressive, corner of with a lot of pop. Then Austin Meadows and Clint Frazier could emerge as well.. Since it takes awhile for these guys to develop it won't matter what position they take.. good catcher prospects Jeremy Martinez and Zach Collins. Also SS Jan Hernandez could be the guy as well.. i love the draft..can't wait for it.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 11:48 AM

I wouldn't touch Appel with a ten foot pole. I'd pick somebody who I knew was going to sign.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 11:54 AM

Appel will probably have to sign ,but i think he may get injured this year. Stanford has a history of abusing arms.. There was also a pitcher before who kept getting drafted and not signing. I can't remember the name, there was an ESPN article on him a few years back maybe.. Harrison?.. then he ended up being a bust..

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 12:16 PM

Appel will probably have to sign ,but i think he may get injured this year. Stanford has a history of abusing arms.. There was also a pitcher before who kept getting drafted and not signing. I can't remember the name, there was an ESPN article on him a few years back maybe.. Harrison?.. then he ended up being a bust..


matt harrington. twins were rumoured to be in on him with the second overall pick but took adam johnson instead. if ever an agent should've been fired, it was harrington's.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 12:30 PM

Kharsten Whitson could also be the guy, but i'm all for best player available. Justin Williams an OF from Louisiana looks pretty impressive, corner of with a lot of pop. Then Austin Meadows and Clint Frazier could emerge as well.. Since it takes awhile for these guys to develop it won't matter what position they take.. good catcher prospects Jeremy Martinez and Zach Collins. Also SS Jan Hernandez could be the guy as well.. i love the draft..can't wait for it.


both whitson and dylan covey will be former 1st rounders who're available to be re-drafted. whitson struggled with injuries this year but i don't think any of them were arm related so he could easily resurface at the top.

meadows and frazier appear to be at the head of the prep crop but both are outfielders and even though you always go bpa, i think you jigger the formula this year make sure the bpa isn't a prep of'er.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 12:33 PM

I wouldn't touch Appel with a ten foot pole. I'd pick somebody who I knew was going to sign.


i have no problem picking him but have the twins ever picked a boras client in the draft?

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 12:38 PM

I wouldn't touch Appel with a ten foot pole. I'd pick somebody who I knew was going to sign.


i have no problem picking him but have the twins ever picked a boras client in the draft?


Yes... it did not go well.....

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 01:03 PM

I want a pitcher, since Ryan has stated he will not pay for an elite arm I free agency, the only way they will get one is in the draft.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 02:14 PM

I wouldn't touch Appel with a ten foot pole. I'd pick somebody who I knew was going to sign.


i have no problem picking him but have the twins ever picked a boras client in the draft?


That is the other reason I wouldn't touch him.

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 05:18 PM

i have no problem picking him but have the twins ever picked a boras client in the draft?


1996 - Travis Lee. He didn't want to play for the Twins. He had Boras tell the Twins to hold off on contract talks so Lee could concentrate on the Atlanta Olympic Games. The Twins did as requested and then they filed for free agency because the Twins didn't send out a contract within 15 days of the draft. He was granted free agency. The Twins have shied away from Boras ever since.

The only other Boras client I can remember the Twins dealing with was Joe Crede, and that was because Crede insisted on the Twins over the reccomendation of Boras.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 12:08 PM



i have no problem picking him but have the twins ever picked a boras client in the draft?


1996 - Travis Lee. He didn't want to play for the Twins. He had Boras tell the Twins to hold off on contract talks so Lee could concentrate on the Atlanta Olympic Games. The Twins did as requested and then they filed for free agency because the Twins didn't send out a contract within 15 days of the draft. He was granted free agency. The Twins have shied away from Boras ever since.

The only other Boras client I can remember the Twins dealing with was Joe Crede, and that was because Crede insisted on the Twins over the reccomendation of Boras.


no - lee's agent was jeff moorad, who went back on a verbal pledge to terry ryan in order to get lee free agent status that year along with the prep pitchers. i believe the only boras client the twins have drafted is jason varitek.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 12:10 PM

btw, i've done some preliminary sniffing around next year's top prospects an i've got to say that manaea jumps out to me. i prefer him over both appel and stanek. i'm guessing he's the number one overall pick.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 12:13 PM

I see no reason to avoid Appel in the next draft. He has already refused to sign once. There's almost a zero chance he does it again. That would be madness.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 01:27 PM

I see no reason to avoid Appel in the next draft. He has already refused to sign once. There's almost a zero chance he does it again. That would be madness.

Agreed. I believe the only reason he didn't sign was because he fell to #6. If he were #1, he would have signed. He's not going to hold out again. He's a senior this year, so if he doesn't sign, the only thing he could really do is go play independent ball somewhere for the year until he could enter the draft again, or sign as a free agent. Either way, that delays his entry into affiliated ball by another year. Deciding not to sign looks like he's taking the gamble that he will be drafter higher next year.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 01:36 PM

Tim Belcher was also a Boros client way back when who refused to sign with the Twins.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 01:52 PM

Ryan Stanek or nothing!!

#18 Vervehound

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 03:31 PM

Ryan Stanek or nothing!!


might want to learn his actual name if you're going to pimp him.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 03:57 PM

I like the talk but it is way early for this right? At this point last year was Buxton even really on anyone's radar? And he was the best player in the draft.

Also, the college SS's that everyone was high on at this point ended up dropping quite a bit. People will emerge.
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Posted 06 September 2012 - 05:10 PM

no - lee's agent was jeff moorad, who went back on a verbal pledge to terry ryan in order to get lee free agent status that year along with the prep pitchers. i believe the only boras client the twins have drafted is jason varitek.


My bad, you're right, it was Moorad. Lee ended up with Boras later.

#21 Vervehound

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 08:32 AM

I like the talk but it is way early for this right? At this point last year was Buxton even really on anyone's radar? And he was the best player in the draft.

Also, the college SS's that everyone was high on at this point ended up dropping quite a bit. People will emerge.


buxton was firmly on everyone's radar at this point last year and was considered the top prep. your point is well taken but the reality is that the majority of the top picks are identified in the previous year, even prepsters. that said, the college crop was alleged to have two elite talents at this time last year - appel and devin marerro - so an awful lot is dependent on spring performance.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 10:50 AM

Apple would immediately be the Twins top pitching prospect. He projects as a number two starter. How is that not worth taking, given this staff? He is also pretty close to MLB ready. Passing on him would not make sense.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 11:32 AM

The Twins also had Boras clients Kyle Lohse and Carlos Gomez but both were traded for as prospects not drafted. Additionally, both were traded again before the Twins had to worry about serious arbitration and free agency. Unless the Twins start matching payroll with the big clubs, they'll probably spend their money more wisely than on a Boras client asking for 2x market value.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 11:44 AM

Ryan Stanek or nothing!!


might want to learn his actual name if you're going to pimp him.


Sorry, didn't know you couldn't talk a kid up cause his name is spelt stupid.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 11:46 AM

apple would immediately be the twins top pitching prospect. He projects as a number two starter. How is that not worth taking, given this staff? He is also pretty close to mlb ready. Passing on him would not make sense.


bpa!!!!!

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 01:19 PM

If the BPA is another toolsy outfielder and your gm will not trade prospects for major league players, where do you ever get pitching? Oh, and he will not sign elite free agents either....

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 01:39 PM

If the BPA is another toolsy outfielder and your gm will not trade prospects for major league players, where do you ever get pitching? Oh, and he will not sign elite free agents either....


If the best player is gonna monster ceiling high school outfielder I would have no problem taking him. Lets not fool ourselfs into thinking the Twins are gonna compete anytime soon, load up the system with as many high ceiling players as you can.

NTM you can find arms outside of the first round.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 01:57 PM

You can find monster outfielders outside the first round too. Where will the pitching come from if you pass on it at the top of the draft? And this isn't about next year.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 02:13 PM

[quote name='DPJ'][quote name='Vervehound'][quote name='DPJ']Ryan Stanek or nothing!![/QUOTE]

might want to learn his actual name if you're going to pimp him.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, didn't know you couldn't talk a kid up cause his name is spelt stupid.[/QUOTE]

you sure can, but i'm guessing knowing his name might make more people listen to you.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 02:14 PM

You can find monster outfielders outside the first round too. Where will the pitching come from if you pass on it at the top of the draft? And this isn't about next year.


I don't know, that's for the Twins to worry about. All I know is if the best player on the board when the Twins draft are toolsy high school kids for the next decade and they take them....I won't give a **** cause it's the right game plan. But locking yourself into taking an arm (like Appel or any of the highly ranked arms in this last draft or 2013) is a mistake.