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#61 lecroy24fan

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 12:08 PM

 

I believe teams get a 26th man for special regular season games in Puerto Rico, Japan, etc., and that 26th man isn't subject to the 10 day rule.

 

This is correct and to add to it the 26th man has to be a position player. But LaMarre has to go back down after the series unless someone goes on the DL.


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Posted 15 April 2018 - 12:14 PM

 

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 12:42 PM

Busenitz recalled, which is consistent with the concerns about Reed being ill.

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 12:46 PM

 

This is correct and to add to it the 26th man has to be a position player. But LaMarre has to go back down after the series unless someone goes on the DL.

 

Makes sense. My, the Twins are keeping LaMarre busy. He's in the Red Wings lineup again today in Atlanta. I wonder if the Twins charter plane is picking him up on the way to San Juan?

 

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 12:47 PM

 

Busenitz recalled, which is consistent with the concerns about Reed being ill.

 

Corresponding move? Presumably for LaMarre, who is being bounced around the system like a pinball, and is evidently going to celebrate his demotion in San Juan with the big boys, before again donning the AAA uniform next Friday in Rochester.

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 01:29 PM

 

Because that is what people do on message boards.He has been their second best hitter by woba.

 

How many do they need? Does it compare unfavorably with other teams?

The 4th bench player has options and can be moved for a 13th pitcher. Moya and if necessary Hildenberger have options and can be flipped if the bullpen is overworked.

I think he have the necessary flexibility.

 

Yep. And that was the point. No one was "up in arms". We were just wondering why they would go the route they chose instead of these obvious alternatives.

 

Heck, they could also just get on the phone and make a deal with the Marlins so that they can ship Kinley to the minors.

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 04:12 PM

Players need to be given the chance to take advantage of opportunities that present themselves.

I don't want anybody to confuse what I'm saying as a personal opinion that LaMarre will be better than Morrison going forward. I don't want anyone thinking that I'm basing long term conclusions on an 11 game stretch of April Games.

However... there is little doubt that LaMarre has been better than Morrison (and others) during this 11 game stretch when getting a tiny amount of chances.

I continue to wait for the time when playing time decisions are not based upon who the Manager thinks is better. But rather... who is actually playing better at the time. Regardless of reputation, contract size or anything that distracts from who is actually playing better RIGHT NOW!!!

I continue to wait for a time when a manager looks at a guy with 4 hits in 8 AB's and compares him to the guy with 3 hits in 34 AB's and says... I think I should give the guy with 4 hits in 8 AB's a few more plate appearances at the expense of the guy with 3 hits in 34 AB's. (I'm not saying Morrison should be benched but I am saying that he can yield some playing time).

In a nutshell... I have no problem with LaMarre getting sent down. I have a problem with LaMarre not getting a chance to show he shouldn't be sent down before he is sent down. I have a problem with a guy hitting .500 and not getting more at bats to see if he can hit .600 while the team has a guy hitting .088. playing every day at the DH position.



Problematically, by the time one recognizes such a hot streak it might be over or such a cold streak a player may be ready to break out of it.

Better off playing players based on their track record, including the match up against that day’s pitcher IMO.
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Posted 15 April 2018 - 06:29 PM

 

Problematically, by the time one recognizes such a hot streak it might be over or such a cold streak a player may be ready to break out of it.

Better off playing players based on their track record, including the match up against that day’s pitcher IMO.

 

25 players who the manager trusts is all I'm asking. Then I want a manager who can handle a roster and base decisions on who is hot, who is cold, who matches up against the pitcher, health and other factors. 

 

Bottom line for me... LaMarre was a waste of roster space along with Moya and Kinley because the manager would rather rely on a struggling Hildenberger and Morrison trying to get them right... when LaMarre might be right... right now.  

 

Again... I'm not saying that Hildenberger or Morrison should be extensively benched or cut or anything of the sort and I'm not reacting to 11 games in April and declaring it's how it will be in July.  

 

I'm saying... LaMarre looked pretty good in his slim chances... Let him keep trying until he isn't. If LaMarre has any chance of carving a career for himself... he needs a manager who believes in him and a manager who will say... I'm putting you in the lineup again.  

 

Depth is produced this way. If Molly has 3 players on the roster that he won't turn to.

 

That means that we haven't produced depth and Molly isn't helping. 

 

 

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 08:00 PM

25 players who the manager trusts is all I'm asking. Then I want a manager who can handle a roster and base decisions on who is hot, who is cold, who matches up against the pitcher, health and other factors.

Bottom line for me... LaMarre was a waste of roster space along with Moya and Kinley because the manager would rather rely on a struggling Hildenberger and Morrison trying to get them right... when LaMarre might be right... right now.

Again... I'm not saying that Hildenberger or Morrison should be extensively benched or cut or anything of the sort and I'm not reacting to 11 games in April and declaring it's how it will be in July.

I'm saying... LaMarre looked pretty good in his slim chances... Let him keep trying until he isn't. If LaMarre has any chance of carving a career for himself... he needs a manager who believes in him and a manager who will say... I'm putting you in the lineup again.

Depth is produced this way. If Molly has 3 players on the roster that he won't turn to.

That means that we haven't produced depth and Molly isn't helping.

I can’t agree all the way with this RB. LaMarre is a fourth/fifth OF on this team and he did start two games. With fewer days off and minor injuries, I would expect he will get relatively more ABs if he stays on the roster. I don’t think we can go off of 10 or 30 or plate appearances and rethink playing time for veteran players On the pitching side, I don’t like seeing two guys ruled out of high-leverage situations and still secure on the roster. My bigger concern is the apparent trsust shown to Hildenberger, who had a good run last year but has shown signs of slippage this year.
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Posted 16 April 2018 - 06:19 AM

 

I can’t agree all the way with this RB. LaMarre is a fourth/fifth OF on this team and he did start two games. With fewer days off and minor injuries, I would expect he will get relatively more ABs if he stays on the roster. I don’t think we can go off of 10 or 30 or plate appearances and rethink playing time for veteran players On the pitching side, I don’t like seeing two guys ruled out of high-leverage situations and still secure on the roster. My bigger concern is the apparent trsust shown to Hildenberger, who had a good run last year but has shown signs of slippage this year.

 

I know I'm walking into a wind here.:)

 

If LaMarre was placed on this roster as a 4th/5th OF and it does appear you are right.

 

However, In my opinion... If he was placed on this roster as a 4th/5th OF and that is the role he occupies. He serves very little purpose other than a guy that Molly grits his teeth and has to force into the lineup on getaway days. 

 

In my opinion... Any player that Molitor has to force into the lineup on getaway days shouldn't be on the roster  

 

I believe it is the job of the front office to provide the manager with 25 players that the manager can confidently deploy and will deploy. 

 

I then believe that it is the job of the manager to choose from all 25 players. 

 

I will always struggle with the concept of a starting 9 and bit pieces.

 

I will always be against a player hitting .100 for a month and at the same time confident that he will be on the lineup card when he gets to the stadium.

 

While not suggesting that the player hitting .100 should also be banished like he will never ever figure it out. There is enough playing time. 

 

I believe that every player on the 25 man deserves the chance to prove he belongs on the 25 man.

 

LaMarre making the 25 man roster was a surprise and he made the roster because he hit .475 in spring training.

 

Congrats Ryan you made the roster because you are hot right now but I will not utilize right now while you are hot. I will cool you off on the bench and wait until both Rosario and Kepler get hurt at the same time and then put you in the lineup when you are cold and then we will cut you because you didn't take advantage of the opportunity we didn't give you and your career will be over.:)

 

 

I'd trust the demotion a lot more if it was determined by LaMarre's actual play on the field and not some pre-determined opinion of someone. 

 

It took Wilfred Brimley a long time before he finally gave Roy Hobbs a chance. 

 

 

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 06:51 AM

 

I know I'm walking into a wind here.:)

 

If LaMarre was placed on this roster as a 4th/5th OF and it does appear you are right.

 

However, In my opinion... If he was placed on this roster as a 4th/5th OF and that is the role he occupies. He serves very little purpose other than a guy that Molly grits his teeth and has to force into the lineup on getaway days. 

 

In my opinion... Any player that Molitor has to force into the lineup on getaway days shouldn't be on the roster  

 

I believe it is the job of the front office to provide the manager with 25 players that the manager can confidently deploy and will deploy. 

 

I then believe that it is the job of the manager to choose from all 25 players. 

 

I will always struggle with the concept of a starting 9 and bit pieces.

 

I will always be against a player hitting .100 for a month and at the same time confident that he will be on the lineup card when he gets to the stadium.

 

While not suggesting that the player hitting .100 should also be banished like he will never ever figure it out. There is enough playing time. 

 

I believe that every player on the 25 man deserves the chance to prove he belongs on the 25 man.

 

LaMarre making the 25 man roster was a surprise and he made the roster because he hit .475 in spring training.

 

Congrats Ryan you made the roster because you are hot right now but I will not utilize right now while you are hot. I will cool you off on the bench and wait until both Rosario and Kepler get hurt at the same time and then put you in the lineup when you are cold and then we will cut you because you didn't take advantage of the opportunity we didn't give you and your career will be over.:)

 

 

I'd trust the demotion a lot more if it was determined by LaMarre's actual play on the field and not some pre-determined opinion of someone. 

 

It took Wilfred Brimley a long time before he finally gave Roy Hobbs a chance. 

I'd agree this is on the front office...Many of us called all winter for the front office to find a RH hitting 4th OFer.

 

But I don't think Ryan LaMarre is that guy. He's never hit, anywhere. ANYwhere. Personally I'm glad the manager seems to understand a handful of ABs doesn't negate years of history. 

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 08:17 AM

I'd agree this is on the front office...Many of us called all winter for the front office to find a RH hitting 4th OFer.

But I don't think Ryan LaMarre is that guy. He's never hit, anywhere. ANYwhere. Personally I'm glad the manager seems to understand a handful of ABs doesn't negate years of history.


As long as the manager understands that his story is written and final. No chance of him becoming a Chris Taylor.
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Posted 16 April 2018 - 09:12 AM

 

As long as the manager understands that his story is written and final. No chance of him becoming a Chris Taylor.

He can change his name legally through the court system quite easily, so there's always a chance.

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 09:45 AM

 

As long as the manager understands that his story is written and final. No chance of him becoming a Chris Taylor.

 

Chris Taylor who hit .314/.400/.458 in the minors and broke out in the majors at age 26 after having success as a rookie at age 23?Not to mention Taylor also plays 2B and SS

 

Lamarre is 29 and hit .266/.344/.376 in the minors.What do these guys have in common?

 

 

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 10:24 AM

Chris Taylor who hit .314/.400/.458 in the minors and broke out in the majors at age 26 after having success as a rookie at age 23? Not to mention Taylor also plays 2B and SS

Lamarre is 29 and hit .266/.344/.376 in the minors. What do these guys have in common?


Neither of them are cow handed with the bat?
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Posted 16 April 2018 - 10:30 AM

He can change his name legally through the court system quite easily, so there's always a chance.

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Neither of them are cow handed with the bat?

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 10:31 AM

No problem with the Lamarre moves. Makes sense to get an extra pitcher for the Puerto Rico series and Lamarre is the obvious candidate to do it. That's what being the 25th guy on the roster is about.

 

It'll be interesting to see what happens with Buesnitz/Moya when Lamarre is done with his ten days and can come back. I wouldn't be surprised to see Moya head down and Buesnitz stay. The Twins could use some depth with Hildy and Duke being a little erratic. Allows Molitor to have a quick pull with them.

 

Not going to judge this till we see who's on the team in NYC.

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 10:43 AM

 

No problem with the Lamarre moves. Makes sense to get an extra pitcher for the Puerto Rico series and Lamarre is the obvious candidate to do it. That's what being the 25th guy on the roster is about.

 

It'll be interesting to see what happens with Buesnitz/Moya when Lamarre is done with his ten days and can come back. I wouldn't be surprised to see Moya head down and Buesnitz stay. The Twins could use some depth with Hildy and Duke being a little erratic. Allows Molitor to have a quick pull with them.

 

Not going to judge this till we see who's on the team in NYC.

 

The best part (for me) is watching people - here and on my Facebook/Twitter feeds - get all worked up about LaMarre. I get great joy out of them trying to compare him to JD Martinez, quote his spring training stats, his "new approach" at the plate, and cite his ".500 batting average," while glossing over his entire career and the fact that he's also struck out 4 times this year.

 

Good times, indeed.

 

But, yes, he is the perfect 25th man - has options and contributes very little on the field so his absence is barely noticed. Could also hold down the fort on defense for a day until Granite could get to town.


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Posted 16 April 2018 - 10:44 AM

 

 

Not going to judge this till we see who's on the team in NYC.

 

Well, it appears Hughes will be there, so I don't know that the judgment can be overly positive.


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Posted 16 April 2018 - 10:47 AM

Talking about something is literally NOT equivalent to getting worked up about it, or angsting about it, or freaking out about it......

 

I'm constantly amazed on this site, when people have a conversation about something, that so many people think there are HUGE emotions tied up in something, when really, there aren't for most of us (as far as I can tell). It's just a conversation.

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