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#21 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 09:07 PM

 

So Sano is going to be Ortiz? If I’m betting my pension I will stick with him being Morrison.

Miguel Sano is 24 years old and has played 319 MLB games. His career fWAR is 5.9.

 

Logan Morrison is 30 years old and has played 873 MLB games. His career fWAR is 5.8.

 

This is a really weird hill to die on, man.

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#22 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 09:07 PM

 

Remember that thing I said earlier today about Sano/Hrbek?

Yeah... yeah.


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Posted 12 April 2018 - 09:07 PM

Boy, lots of players to worry about on this 7-4 team.
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#24 TheLeviathan

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 09:09 PM

 

Boy, lots of players to worry about on this 7-4 team.

 

Pfft....we haven't even started panicking about Buxton.

 

Until sometime in the next 24 hours I'm sure.

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 09:10 PM

Is this post for real or just trolling? (*)

 

Sano's numbers this season:

 

.985 OPS, 158 OPS+, .399 wOBA, 156 wRC+

 

Worry?

Wish every Twins' hitter hit like Sano.

 

(*) Unless Sano is a typo for LoMo

 

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 09:16 PM

I have no illusions he will be a Miggy Cabrera anymore.

Just lower the expectations a little, and you see how valuable a piece Sano is. Let Berrios/Buck/Royce Lewis be the headliners.
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Posted 12 April 2018 - 09:18 PM

Miguel Sano is 24 years old and has played 319 MLB games. His career fWAR is 5.9.



Logan Morrison is 30 years old and has played 873 MLB games. His career fWAR is 5.8.



This is a really weird hill to die on, man.


You seem to be quite emotional about this with references to being drunk and dying on hills. I hope Sano is the next great player of this generation. I just see that possibility becoming less and less As time goes by. You obviously get to have your opinion which I won’t disparage.
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Posted 12 April 2018 - 09:21 PM

 

I have no illusions he will be a Miggy Cabrera anymore.

Just lower the expectations a little, and you see how valuable a piece Sano is. Let Berrios/Buck/Royce Lewis be the headliners.

 

You have to be Miguel Cabrera to be a headliner?

 

And how does Buck make that list?

 

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 09:21 PM

You have to be Miguel Cabrera to be a headliner?
 
And how does Buck make that list?
 
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#30 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 09:22 PM

 

You seem to be quite emotional about this with references to being drunk and dying on hills. I hope Sano is the next great player of this generation. I just see that possibility becoming less and less As time goes by. You obviously get to have your opinion which I won’t disparage.

I'm not even a little bit emotional about this. The drunk comment was having a bit of fun at the expense of Minnesota fans never being satisfied with the gifts they are given. The hill comment was made in genuine perplexity at your statements that Miguel Sano is in any way comparable to Logan Morrison.

 

Because that's a seriously weird comparison to make, especially when making the (obvious) comparison of Morrison posting a Buxton-esque OPS to start this season while Sano is raking.

 

I'm having a bit of fun because your takes here are a bit hyperbolic. That's all there is to it.

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 09:24 PM

I just don't understand how you can simultaneously downplay the upside of a guy with an OPS over .900 while celebrating a dude with a .442 OPS.

 

I realize my mistake is trying to rationalize here and self-inflicting the punishment.....

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 09:27 PM

 

You have to be Miguel Cabrera to be a headliner?

 

And how does Buck make that list?

 

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Well I for one was hoping we WERE getting Miguel Cabrera.A guy who would go a decade posting a .300/.400/.600 line.

 

Like HBD, I'm no longer very hopeful that's what we'll get.

 

Doesn't mean he won't be a good hitter.  

 

But I've adjusted down.The K's are concerning, and I have little doubt that if he continues to K at anywhere near the rate he has so far, we're looking at a .250/.350/.500 hitter.  

 

NOT Miguel Cabrera, and not a headliner.

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 09:33 PM

I just don't understand how you can simultaneously downplay the upside of a guy with an OPS over .900 while celebrating a dude with a .442 OPS.
 
I realize my mistake is trying to rationalize here and self-inflicting the punishment.....

For the record, I have no idea who has what OPS at this point, so don't know if you are responding to my post or not

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 09:36 PM

 

Well I for one was hoping we WERE getting Miguel Cabrera.A guy who would go a decade posting a .300/.400/.600 line.

 

Like HBD, I'm no longer very hopeful that's what we'll get.

 

Doesn't mean he won't be a good hitter.  

 

But I've adjusted down.The K's are concerning, and I have little doubt that if he continues to K at anywhere near the rate he has so far, we're looking at a .250/.350/.500 hitter.  

 

NOT Miguel Cabrera, and not a headliner.

 

Is Miguel Cabrera the floor for "headlining"?Do you have to be a lock HOF player to headline a team?

 

He can't just be really, really good?

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 09:43 PM

Is Miguel Cabrera the floor for "headlining"? Do you have to be a lock HOF player to headline a team?

He can't just be really, really good?

I don't think ,250/.350/.500, with too many Ks to drive in a bunch of runs, is "really, really good."

Coupled with defensive questions, that's absolutely not "really, really good."

And yeah, I was hoping for "really, really good."
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Posted 12 April 2018 - 09:43 PM

 

I don't think ,250/.350/.500, with too many Ks to drive in a bunch of runs, is "really, really good."

Coupled with defensive questions, that's absolutely not "really, really good."

 

Well, I'll admit, that's the first time I've heard someone with an .850 OPS is not that good.


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Posted 12 April 2018 - 09:45 PM

Well, I'll admit, that's the first time I've heard someone with an .850 OPS is not that good.

your goalposts are moving.
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Posted 12 April 2018 - 09:46 PM

 

your goalposts are moving.

 

Not at all.The OPS you posted would've been good enough for top 40 in all of baseball last year.

 

It's roughly Brian Dozier's slash line the last few years.I can't recall you rushing to downplay what kind of player he has been.Or decrying him as not a real "headliner".Or the board posting threads about that.....

 

But Miguel Sano requires us to compare him to a lock HOFer as a negative.Oy vey.  

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#39 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 09:48 PM

I think you're arguing past each other a bit.

 

- An .850 OPS without capable defense (which I'm not ready to write off with Sano) is not very, very good. That's a good 2-4 WAR player.

 

- Predicting, in any way, that a 24 year old player with a career .848 OPS will not improve in any extent is taking a pretty negative view of said player.

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 09:51 PM

I think you're arguing past each other a bit.

- An .850 OPS without capable defense (which I'm not ready to write off with Sano) is not very, very good. That's a good 2-4 WAR player.

- Predicting, in any way, that a 24 year old player with a career .848 OPS will not improve in any extent is taking a pretty negative view of said player.

I think the Ks have to come down for him to make any significant improvement.

And i grow slowly less hopeful for that with each passing month.

It's too early to make any definitive statements about this year. But that includes saying he's got a .900 OPS, so there's nothing to be concerned about, or laughing off those who have concerns.
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