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Is It Time to Start Worrying About Sano?

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#1 Linus

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 07:15 PM

Ok. 30 homers a year are not going to offset subpar fielding and striking out 40% of the time. He is showing no indication that he understands that he has a lot of improving to do. I hope he monitors Chris Carter’s career because that is where he is headed

#2 Mr. Brooks

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 07:22 PM

Miguel Sano, has a career OPS 100 points higher than Carter.
He also has already compiled more than twice as many bWAR (5.8 to 2.5) as Carter, in 431 less games.

So, even if Sano never improves at all, he's a much, much better and more valuable player than Chris Carter.
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#3 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 07:45 PM

Just to be clear, when we’re talking about Miguel Sano, we’re still talking about the Miguel Sano with an OPS over .900, right?

*scratches head furiously*

He’s the new anti-Mauer. Joe didn’t hit dingers and was crucified for it. Sano only hits dingers and is crucified for it.

Go home, Minnesota. You’re drunk.
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#4 Linus

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 07:46 PM

Chris carter was an example. I think we should all be worried about Sano’s current career arc.

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 07:50 PM

Just to be clear, when we’re talking about Miguel Sano, we’re still talking about the Miguel Sano with an OPS over .900, right?

*scratches head furiously*

He’s the new anti-Mauer. Joe didn’t hit dingers and was crucified for it. Sano only hits dingers and is crucified for it.

Go home, Minnesota. You’re drunk.


Hmmm...aren’t you a moderator?

#6 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 07:52 PM

Chris carter was an example. I think we should all be worried about Sano’s current career arc.

I don’t think we should be worried about anything. He’s a very good player who has the ability to be great. Whether he gets there isn’t really something that keeps me up at night. I’m enjoying what he delivers because it’s fun to watch. If he improves, I’ll enjoy it more.
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Posted 12 April 2018 - 08:01 PM

The market has been pretty clear in valuing all or nothing hitters with no positional value. Sure he might rise above that definition but there are no signs currently. And no I am not drunk ....
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Posted 12 April 2018 - 08:12 PM

Based on the subject lines here at TD, we're worried about everything.

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 08:15 PM

To paraphrase comments in many other threads this week, I'm not worried about a lot of strikeouts in the first dozen games of the season. Everyone is rusty, they just came from very different temps in FL/AZ, and they haven't settled into the routine of the season yet. 

 

Players don't improve instantly, it takes years. It's a game of nuance and subtlety. Sano has nothing in common with Cuddyer (besides player 3B poorly), but I'll use Cuddy as an example. With many players you're ready to give up on them at about the time they finally turn that corner.

 

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 08:16 PM

The market has been pretty clear in valuing all or nothing hitters with no positional value. Sure he might rise above that definition but there are no signs currently. And no I am not drunk ....


But he's not an all or nothing hitter with no positional value, which is why his OPS and WAR are so much higher than someone like Chris Carter, who is those things.
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#11 Mike Sixel

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 08:29 PM

No even the tiniest amount
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There's always next year, or the next, or maybe by the time I'm Chief's age, I guess....


#12 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 08:33 PM

Hmmm...aren’t you a moderator?

Um... No? Yes? That’s a complicated question.
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Posted 12 April 2018 - 08:36 PM

Maybe you think the Twins should do a Big Papi to Boston with Sano? I envision Sano as a similar player as Ortiz. How'd that work out?

Right now, I'd be more worried about Morrison being a bust.

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#14 Linus

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 08:43 PM

Right now Sano is much more similar to Morrison than Ortiz

#15 Mike Sixel

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 08:44 PM

Right now Sano is much more similar to Morrison than Ortiz


Wut? He's still, despite the ridiculous, not going to continue, strikeouts an above average, if not great, hitter.
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#16 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 08:52 PM

Right now Sano is much more similar to Morrison than Ortiz

He’s not. Sano is 24 years old with a 126 OPS+. Morrison is 30 years old with a 108 OPS+.
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#17 Linus

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 09:02 PM

So Sano is going to be Ortiz? If I’m betting my pension I will stick with him being Morrison.

#18 Mike Sixel

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 09:03 PM

So Sano is going to be Ortiz? If I’m betting my pension I will stick with him being Morrison.


I'll bet my money on in between.....
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#19 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 09:04 PM

 

I'll bet my money on in between.....

Yeah, exactly... And right now, if using OPS+, Sano is slightly closer to Ortiz' career number than he is Morrison.

 

Oh, and Sano is still 24 years old.

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 09:06 PM

Remember that thing I said earlier today about Sano/Hrbek?

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