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#21 jud6312

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Posted 28 March 2018 - 09:53 AM

 

As bad as his season numbers were, I had some of my best times of the 2017 season watching Bartolo Colon games.  

 

How is that even possible?


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Posted 28 March 2018 - 10:13 AM

On paper.On March 28.For what that's worth.This is the area that needed the biggest upgrade and the one that GOT the biggest upgrade.Duffey and Busenitz are in AAA folks...that's how much better this pen is right now.

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Posted 28 March 2018 - 10:14 AM

IMO....#2 area of improvement will be the DH.


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Posted 28 March 2018 - 10:39 AM

 

How is that even possible?

 

He did have some good starts.

 


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Posted 28 March 2018 - 11:45 AM

I don't trust Rodney and won't watch him pitch. He's a heart attack on the mound. I predict he will not be the closer at the end of the season.

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Posted 28 March 2018 - 11:57 AM

I like this 'pen. There's a lot of flexibility in it and some good upside. While I'm not a big Rodney fan, he's fine as a 9th inning specialist, which is an overrated position because of saves. Much better to be flexible with Reed in the 7-8th innings as needed to play fireman. Would love to see him punch out rallies in the 6th, frankly.

 

Maybe pressly puts it together and performance equals stuff, but the Twins aren't going to be counting on him to pitch a lot of high-leverage situations until he proves it. Same with Kinley, because they have guys like Rogers, Reed, Duke, and Hildenberger who have shown they can handle it. Heck, gives time to test about Moya a little more before putting him in the fire.

 

And there's definitely guys down in Rochester to fill in the gaps/seize a job if anyone falters/gets injured. That's great news.

 

Rodney will get the bulk of the attention and aggravation, I suspect but a) closer is overrated, B) he's on a 1-year deal and can be walked away from if he's cooked, and c) there are replacements available in the 'pen and in the minors. That's the right situation to be in to start the season. Good combination of youth and experience. They're not elite (yet), but they are stronger and should be more reliable.


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Posted 28 March 2018 - 12:44 PM

Save % wise, Rodney has been at his best the past 4 seasons. Rees and Duke were really good additions! We still haven't seen the best of Pressly yet, IMO, and hope we get to. But he's not in high leverage spots, at least to begin with. Not a and Kinsley are the question marks, but there is intriguing potential in both, despite being very different pitchers.

Like the depth. Can't wait for May and Curtiss.

I don't mind losing Bard, Burdi or Chargois. My problem is losing all 3 of them. I know you can't protect and keep everyone. And there was definitely an injury factor involved. Letting all 3 go is my concern/gripe.
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#28 Mike Sixel

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Posted 28 March 2018 - 01:34 PM

https://www.fangraph...s-bullpen-1-15/

It's been a fun year so far, GO Twins. 


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Posted 28 March 2018 - 02:27 PM

 

If you guys are good with the ticking time bomb, more power to you. With the number of people he walks and his age, it's not a matter of if, but when they catch up. He could've saved 100% of the games he saved in 2016 and he was still awful.

 

I get that you don't like him as the closer because you're afraid the wheels are going to fall off. Valid. You can't however say he is ineffective. At a certain point you have to go with what gets results. However he's doing it, Rodney over his career has produced good results. It's not like there were any Craig Kimbrels on the market. As for the 100% comment that's just ridiculous. Saving 100% of the opportunities is the exact opposite of awful. All that matters at the end of the day is adding that W to the record.

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Posted 28 March 2018 - 04:41 PM

I'm wondering if, at some point, Trevor May doesn't make an Aquilera-like transition to be the closer. He seemed to do well, mentally, in high-leverage situations out of the pen two years ago, and his fastball is plus, especially if he doesn't have to pace himself as a starter. I suppose if it gets to that point, though, something in the Falvine plan has gone very wrong. 


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Posted 28 March 2018 - 05:46 PM

I'm wondering if, at some point, Trevor May doesn't make an Aquilera-like transition to be the closer. He seemed to do well, mentally, in high-leverage situations out of the pen two years ago, and his fastball is plus, especially if he doesn't have to pace himself as a starter. I suppose if it gets to that point, though, something in the Falvine plan has gone very wrong.


You have a valid point here. I'd think his previous back concerns would make him a better closer, potentially, than trying to pitch a couple of innings. Still, there could be concern about back to back days.

I really think he has the stuff to be a solid rotation piece. His injury last season may have been the single biggest "bummer" on an otherwise very nice 2017 season. He looked really good in ST and seemed poised to be part of the rotation.

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Posted 28 March 2018 - 06:10 PM

It'll be interesting to see who goes in a few weeks when they no longer cannot get by on the 4-man rotation. They'll certainly need that long man at some point.

I am so damn happy baseball is back again. It's going to be a fun year. The team hasn't had offensive, defensive, and pitching depth like this in decades. Even back when they were an above average team in a bad division in the 00s, they seemed to be a little more top heavy, carried by the likes of Santana, Liriano, Hunter, Mauer, and Morneau. This year, there's no bonifide superstar (yet), but there's no glaring weakness, and there are a few guys in the minors that could come up and fill in without a drastic drop-off.

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Posted 28 March 2018 - 06:14 PM

I'm wondering if, at some point, Trevor May doesn't make an Aquilera-like transition to be the closer. He seemed to do well, mentally, in high-leverage situations out of the pen two years ago, and his fastball is plus, especially if he doesn't have to pace himself as a starter. I suppose if it gets to that point, though, something in the Falvine plan has gone very wrong.


He seemed to do well mentally? One of the first things that comes to mind for me when thinking about May is the tirades he would throw on the mound after giving something up, which was followed by an unraveling much more often than is preferred.

Sure, if the inning was clean he'd be happy as a clam. But, you could see the stress on his face with every additional baserunner. If, heaven forbid, a run crossed the plate he'd scream into his glove and stomp around like a child.

Hopefully he's worked some of that out as he's matured, but I recall it being rather embarrassing at times.

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Posted 28 March 2018 - 06:16 PM

The weather and schedule is going to have a big influence on this relief staff. With snow storms and rain in the forecasted for the weekend and next week. The cold weather and rain delays will effect the length starts, putting more work on the relief staff. Who schedules this many games in Minnesota in April? The second thing that will effect this relief staff is Baltimore, New York, Houston, Seattle and Toronto on the schedule in first 30 games. These teams have a lot of big hitters that can mess up a relief staff. My bet is that several changes will be made in the first month. I don't think we are going to get a clear idea of this relief core until well into May. When a staff is built in 80 degree Fort Meyers in March and plays in 30 degree Minnesota to start the season. 

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#35 jud6312

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Posted 29 March 2018 - 04:41 PM

Yeah, you're right. I've probably got nothing to worry about with Rodney. Definitely doesn't have issues with the long ball.

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Posted 29 March 2018 - 05:45 PM

Yeah, you're right. I've probably got nothing to worry about with Rodney. Definitely doesn't have issues with the long ball.

oddly enough, I don't expect him to give up many. He's only given up 62 in 800 some innings. Five-ish HR per 162 games seems low to me but I have nothing to back that up.

I worry more about the walking a hits/walks parade tightrope every appearance.
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Posted 29 March 2018 - 06:50 PM

 

oddly enough, I don't expect him to give up many. He's only given up 62 in 800 some innings. Five-ish HR per 162 games seems low to me but I have nothing to back that up.

I worry more about the walking a hits/walks parade tightrope every appearance.

 

I think we're all a little right to worry. Even before today. The end for most older pitchers doesn't come gradually.


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Posted 29 March 2018 - 08:38 PM

Chargois had a nice day today.

 

*Ducks*




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