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#41 Kelly Vance

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Posted 09 February 2018 - 01:47 PM

Someone needs to take Yu ice fishing. Maybe he will catch a walleye.

 

Then he would realize that  Minnesota has way more to offer than LA, which has a boring 70 degree climate in winter, Disneyland, Universal Studios, Magic Mountain, Hollywood, Laguna, Malibu, Knotts Berry Farm and all those boring warm weather golf courses. 

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Posted 09 February 2018 - 01:56 PM

 

Someone needs to take Yu ice fishing. Maybe he will catch a walleye.

 

Then he would realize that  Minnesota has way more to offer than LA, which has a boring 70 degree climate in winter, Disneyland, Universal Studios, Magic Mountain, Hollywood, Laguna, Malibu, Knotts Berry Farm and all those boring warm weather golf courses. 

 

Yeah

 

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Posted 09 February 2018 - 02:06 PM

 

He and others have been saying that throughout the offseason, and have done so not just about Darvish, but FA's willingness to come to Minnesota in general, due to the weather, the market, and other negative platitudes. It sounds like speculation, rather than source-work (i.e. "reason to believe" rather than "insider/person-familiar suggests").

I'm with you, those characterizations get old. I always find it funny that weather seems to be such an impediment to the Twins drawing interest but the Tigers and Cubs have had no problem luring top players recently. It's almost as if players will go wherever the $$ is. Crazy right?

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Posted 09 February 2018 - 02:21 PM

I’m not sure I agree with the almost presumed assesment that “this is the time”. Still an awful lot of uncertainty on the roster IMO. Which Byron Buxton will show up this year? Will Kepler hit LHP? Is Rosario really what he was last year? Will Sano stay healthy? Will he be suspended for a large chunk of time? Will Berrios remain consistent? What about after him? Not much there, even with a Darvish. A two man rotation might get it done in the playoffs, but you have to get there first. Even with Darvish, the opening day # 3 had a 5 plus ERA the last two years. Still bullpen questions. Plenty of new faces. How will it all shake out? Awful lot of pressure on Hildenberger and Rogers, two still extremely green relievers.

Say the Twins get Darvish but it turns out Sano is on the DL more than he plays the next 5 years, Kepler never hits LHP, Rosario and Buxton slide back. Now you have a great ace on an otherwise lousy team. Still a lot of unknowns I think to say “this year is our shot”.
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Posted 09 February 2018 - 02:22 PM

 

I'm not sure why he'd live in MN in the off season......an MLB player is only in town for 3-4 months, max. There really is no reason to live there, if you don't want to.

 

I don't think we know what he wants, but if I had to guess, MN and Mil are not the top of the list.

Opening day is March 29.3-4 months would mean their season was over in June or July, not October.

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Posted 09 February 2018 - 02:28 PM

Opening day is March 29.3-4 months would mean their season was over in June or July, not October.

I think they are thinking time actually spent in MN. They are on the road the rest of the time.

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Posted 09 February 2018 - 02:34 PM

Someone needs to take Yu ice fishing. Maybe he will catch a walleye.
 
Then he would realize that  Minnesota has way more to offer than LA, which has a boring 70 degree climate in winter, Disneyland, Universal Studios, Magic Mountain, Hollywood, Laguna, Malibu, Knotts Berry Farm and all those boring warm weather golf courses.

All that, and in MN he could zip line across the Mississipi! Let's see him try that in LA across the Pacific!
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Posted 09 February 2018 - 02:43 PM

I wonder if he's gotten an offer from a Japanese organization and is just going to say CYA!


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Posted 09 February 2018 - 02:52 PM

I think they'd probably be fine putting Ervin on the 60 day DL.
12 weeks puts him roughly a week into May, at which point he'd need a lengthy rehab assignment.
At worst, he probably misses one more start than he would have needed to.

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Posted 09 February 2018 - 03:23 PM

 

I’m not sure I agree with the almost presumed assesment that “this is the time”. Still an awful lot of uncertainty on the roster IMO. Which Byron Buxton will show up this year? Will Kepler hit LHP? Is Rosario really what he was last year? Will Sano stay healthy? Will he be suspended for a large chunk of time? Will Berrios remain consistent? What about after him? Not much there, even with a Darvish. A two man rotation might get it done in the playoffs, but you have to get there first. Even with Darvish, the opening day # 3 had a 5 plus ERA the last two years. Still bullpen questions. Plenty of new faces. How will it all shake out? Awful lot of pressure on Hildenberger and Rogers, two still extremely green relievers.

Say the Twins get Darvish but it turns out Sano is on the DL more than he plays the next 5 years, Kepler never hits LHP, Rosario and Buxton slide back. Now you have a great ace on an otherwise lousy team. Still a lot of unknowns I think to say “this year is our shot”.

If not now, then when?If everything shakes out poorly, the alternative is what, another full rebuild? Wait for Royce Lewis and others to get ready and then make FA moves?There's risk inherent no matter when the Twins decide to go for it.

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Posted 09 February 2018 - 03:36 PM

Given the lack of SP FA signings, are we seeing implicit or explicit collusion?

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Posted 09 February 2018 - 03:36 PM

Looks like the lesser free agent dominoes are starting to fall.How many signing today? 3 or 4 out of 100?Just a trickle now.

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Posted 09 February 2018 - 03:42 PM

 

All that, and in MN he could zip line across the Mississipi! Let's see him try that in LA across the Pacific!

Really? There's a zip line across the Mississippi? Seems foolish for something you can just walk across in about 10 steps knee-deep.

 

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Posted 09 February 2018 - 04:20 PM

Derek Holland was signed to a minor league deal per MLBTR. That’s a steal imho.

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Posted 09 February 2018 - 04:32 PM

 

I’m not sure I agree with the almost presumed assesment that “this is the time”. Still an awful lot of uncertainty on the roster IMO. Which Byron Buxton will show up this year? Will Kepler hit LHP? Is Rosario really what he was last year? Will Sano stay healthy? Will he be suspended for a large chunk of time? Will Berrios remain consistent? What about after him? Not much there, even with a Darvish. A two man rotation might get it done in the playoffs, but you have to get there first. Even with Darvish, the opening day # 3 had a 5 plus ERA the last two years. Still bullpen questions. Plenty of new faces. How will it all shake out? Awful lot of pressure on Hildenberger and Rogers, two still extremely green relievers.

Say the Twins get Darvish but it turns out Sano is on the DL more than he plays the next 5 years, Kepler never hits LHP, Rosario and Buxton slide back. Now you have a great ace on an otherwise lousy team. Still a lot of unknowns I think to say “this year is our shot”.

 

Then we are better equipped to handle those failures because we have a legitimate ace.

 

If they all sucks, we'll have to start the rebuild again anyway (which will take a minimum of two years to decide) and the sixth year won't make a bit of difference during the rebuild.


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Posted 09 February 2018 - 05:03 PM

 

Given the lack of SP FA signings, are we seeing implicit or explicit collusion?

Implicit without a doubt.

Enjoy baseball while you can, there will be some nasty labor disputes in a couple years.

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Posted 09 February 2018 - 05:04 PM

I would tend to venture that Darvish's 6th year could not be as bad as Hughes' third, fourth, fifth, or sixth (2016,17,18,19.)

 

They can drop down the AAV by 10% and add that 6th year. That would add a total of 50% of the original AAV to the total contract, so it would be like paying for 8% more than the original offer

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Posted 09 February 2018 - 05:07 PM

 

I would tend to venture that Darvish's 6th year could not be as bad as Hughes' third, fourth, fifth, or sixth (2016,17,18,19.)

 

They can drop down the AAV by 10% and add that 6th year. That would add a total of 50% of the original AAV to the total contract, so it would be like paying for 8% more than the original offer

No kidding. 

The Twins hand out extra years to #4/#5 type pitchers like candy seemingly, yet when it comes to an ace they get stingy?

Also with a 6th year you can pay him 'less' IMO those first 5 years as well.

Let's say YU is looking for $25 mil a year for 5 years, but would settle for $22 mil a year for 6 years.

6/132 seems like a fair deal for all sides.


 

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Posted 09 February 2018 - 05:19 PM

 

I’m not sure I agree with the almost presumed assesment that “this is the time”. Still an awful lot of uncertainty on the roster IMO. Which Byron Buxton will show up this year? Will Kepler hit LHP? Is Rosario really what he was last year? Will Sano stay healthy? Will he be suspended for a large chunk of time? Will Berrios remain consistent? What about after him? Not much there, even with a Darvish. A two man rotation might get it done in the playoffs, but you have to get there first. Even with Darvish, the opening day # 3 had a 5 plus ERA the last two years. Still bullpen questions. Plenty of new faces. How will it all shake out? Awful lot of pressure on Hildenberger and Rogers, two still extremely green relievers.

Say the Twins get Darvish but it turns out Sano is on the DL more than he plays the next 5 years, Kepler never hits LHP, Rosario and Buxton slide back. Now you have a great ace on an otherwise lousy team. Still a lot of unknowns I think to say “this year is our shot”.

I get all of those arguments and I was on this side until the past couple of weeks.

The Twins just simply don't get a lot of good opportunities to get this type of a pitcher. I'd rather see them get him in a year where they are still developing than wait a year or two when the market is flooded with more teams competing for this type of a pitcher. Next year and after, the big spenders will be back and instead of getting a good pitcher at fair value they'd have to outbid maybe the Dodgers, the Yankees, the Cubs, the Red Sox, etc. and other mystery teams (Braves, Padres, etc.) that are starting to take off with cheap players and willing to spend.


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Posted 09 February 2018 - 05:38 PM

If you wait for the 'perfect time' to go all in, it likely will never come.

At least go for it and give your fans some hope, because as the team is constructed today we have zero shot in the playoffs.

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