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#41 Riverbrian

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Posted 31 January 2018 - 07:54 PM

 

No correlation is needed.

The point is:

 

a. Fans keep going to the game

b. owners are increasing their revenues

c. players are increasing their salaries

 

There is no problem with the pace of the game or the length of the game other in the commissioner's head.

 

Back in 1999 the folks at Blockbuster Video said similar stuff. 

 

a. People keep coming in and renting Toy Story 2. 

b. We are currently valued at 2.5 Billion

c. This punishing our customers with late fees thing is increasing our revenues YOY.

 

4 years later... During a meeting of the board of directors. One of the board members was suggesting that they failed to adjust to market conditions while another board member was on Wikipedia researching Chapter 11 while the Chairman was pointing at a big chart that showed a clear reversal of fortune. 

 

​The Rise and Fall of Blockbuster is completely unrelated to the future of baseball. Blockbuster ripped me off once and I have never forgiven them so I like pointing out how stupid they were when context allows. 

 

 

 

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Posted 31 January 2018 - 07:59 PM

Everything evolves. Baseball is no different. Some of the changes being suggested will barely be noticeable and not even be worth talking about after a couple years of implementation.

I, personally, dont care about pace of play issues, but if making a few small changes speeds it up a tad and brings more fans to the game, I am all for it.

Another thing that might bring more people to the game is marketing their young talent. Basdeball is horrible at this on the national level.

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Posted 31 January 2018 - 08:13 PM

 

Another thing that might bring more people to the game is marketing their young talent. Basdeball is horrible at this on the national level.

 

I'm printing this quote on a piece of paper with the "basdeball" spelled differently.

 

I'm then wrapping the piece of paper around a rock.

 

Then I'm throwing the rock through the window of the MLB Offices. 

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Posted 31 January 2018 - 08:14 PM

Ah, typos... ;-)

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Posted 31 January 2018 - 09:42 PM

 

you forgot the whole get off my lawn speech ;-)

It's important to have one contrarian on the site

 

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Posted 31 January 2018 - 10:08 PM

Still don't understand why there isn't a way to speed up pitching changes. Are the pomp and circumstance and the half-mile power-walks still necessary?

Send a laser signal down to the 'pen and send the pitcher down a zipline. Or, I have some good ideas for trap doors, similar to those used by the Romans to unleash wild beasts in the Colosseum. Or, have the pitcher on the mound keep a smoke bomb in his back pocket, smash it on the ground when he's done, and the new pitcher would have instantaneously replaced the old one when the smoke clears.

Edited by Darius, 31 January 2018 - 10:10 PM.

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Posted 31 January 2018 - 10:45 PM

If they want to cut down time of games start with the time between innings. But that would cost them advertising money so they would not want to do that. On the same note, when they make a pitching change they need to speed that time up so no need for another commercial break.


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Posted 31 January 2018 - 11:23 PM

If games are so long fans are fleeing the sport what would be the ideal length of game that brings them all back?

2 1/2 hrs like a BB or Hockey game? How can you cut half an hour off a game? Shorten the game to 7 innings would be the easiest without a bunch of rule changes. All the other stuff just nibbles around a couple minutes here or there.

Cut commercial time? Sure the owners and players will love making less money so what will happen ticket prices and beer goes up.

 

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Posted 01 February 2018 - 04:58 AM

Extending the relief pitcher is only going to extend the inning for the offense in the extra AB. they get Quality of relief pitching goes down without situational substitutions. The quality of relief pitching goes down when you think of pitching them multiple innings. Think Perkins as a starter vs a reliever.  

 

In terms of a television game, ratings seem to fluctuate with w/l record. The concern for the team and networks is the number watching.There is a chance that for a long time baseball has been watched in intervals, not complete games. Therewouldn't be the pressure to shorten a game if that is the viewing pattern

 


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Posted 01 February 2018 - 09:38 AM

I'm printing this quote on a piece of paper with the "basdeball" spelled differently.


If you don't believe MLB will understand the message if it contains a typo, I fail to see how a second typo will improve matters.
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Posted 01 February 2018 - 10:13 AM

 

I like this idea a lot. You could replace those 30 seconds between innings with 10 second in-game ads while the next batter makes his way to the plate. 

And I feel like those two moves would not affect the natural flow of the game....hitters stepping out, pitchers stepping off, etc..Cut 25 minutes off game times would help...except for the beer vendors...lol


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Posted 01 February 2018 - 10:53 AM

 

Back in 1999 the folks at Blockbuster Video said similar stuff. 

 

a. People keep coming in and renting Toy Story 2. 

b. We are currently valued at 2.5 Billion

c. This punishing our customers with late fees thing is increasing our revenues YOY.

 

4 years later... During a meeting of the board of directors. One of the board members was suggesting that they failed to adjust to market conditions while another board member was on Wikipedia researching Chapter 11 while the Chairman was pointing at a big chart that showed a clear reversal of fortune. 

 

​The Rise and Fall of Blockbuster is completely unrelated to the future of baseball. Blockbuster ripped me off once and I have never forgiven them so I like pointing out how stupid they were when context allows. 

 

I think this is the point for the Commissioner and others concerned about pace of play and length of games. They're looking ahead to the next tv contract, and thinking about their ratings for playoff and world series baseball. They're thinking about how much of the revenue increase was predicated around teams forming their own tv networks or getting large deals from regional sports networks (like FSN). It's not just about attendance or participation, it's also about tv contracts and ratings. 

 

but I think it's fair to be concerned that attendance will start to slide if games drag out longer and longer without good reason. They also don't want people bailing early. The ticket sale is huge, but if people bail after 6 innings, that's a lot of lost concession sales too. And the goodwill slides down too: when was the last time someone spoke glowingly about the game and the fan experience when they had to bail early?

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Posted 01 February 2018 - 12:14 PM

 

 

but I think it's fair to be concerned that attendance will start to slide if games drag out longer and longer without good reason. They also don't want people bailing early. The ticket sale is huge, but if people bail after 6 innings, that's a lot of lost concession sales too. And the goodwill slides down too: when was the last time someone spoke glowingly about the game and the fan experience when they had to bail early?

Couldn't agree more.It's also about the experience.Go to an NFL game, and you really see how much downtime there is.Baseball is now like that, Between inning breaks are too long (except when you have to get rid of 6 beers), but they'll never cut commercials, soooo:

 

I'm not in favor of rules dictating how long or short a pitcher stays in.That fundamentally changes the game.I am in favor of a pitch clock.Knock 5 minutes off.I'm in favor of limiting mound visits to 1 per pitcher (either a Catcher or a Coach), & said visitor must at least jog to mound, followed by timed visit.  knock 5 minutes off.

 

Relief Pitcher must either sprint to mound, or be driven by big helmet golf car.He gets 5 warm ups, then let's go.Knock 5 minutes off. 

 

Leaving the park at 10:30 means getting home at 11:30 (in 1st tier suburbs), asleep at 12/12:30.My wife gets up at 5 to go to work.Every game is a battle to keep her there until the end, and she LIKES baseball.Something must change.There's 162 games.2:30 or 2::45 is long enough, but don't fundamentally change the game.

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Posted 01 February 2018 - 12:36 PM

I'm in favor of limiting mound visits to 1 per pitcher (either a Catcher or a Coach), & said visitor must at least jog to mound, followed by timed visit.  knock 5 minutes off.

 

Relief Pitcher must either sprint to mound, or be driven by big helmet golf car.He gets 5 warm ups, then let's go.Knock 5 minutes off. 

 

Leaving the park at 10:30 means getting home at 11:30 (in 1st tier suburbs), asleep at 12/12:30.My wife gets up at 5 to go to work.Every game is a battle to keep her there until the end, and she LIKES baseball.Something must change.There's 162 games.2:30 or 2::45 is long enough, but don't fundamentally change the game.

I don't like the clock, but the visit limits are okay. However, if you're going to limit timeouts for the catcher to go visit the mound, then limit them for the batter as well. If the catcher can only go to the mound once per inning, then all batters should only get to call time to step out of the box once per inning. 

 

To be more fair, I'd say one mound visit per batter, and limit it to 10 seconds, once out of the box per batter, and once off the rubber for the pitcher. 


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Posted 01 February 2018 - 02:23 PM

I think there's something to saying a reliever must face two ore three batters. That's not unreasonable in my opinion, and I think there's a player safety case to be made there too..

 

But yeah, like Brian said, this won't fix viewership. Pace of play is an issue, but these are bandaid fixes to a much more fundamental issue.




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