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#21 Nine of twelve

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 09:17 AM

Or 3), I'll spend my discretionary time reading instead. :)

About baseball, I'll bet.

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 09:19 AM

 

Reading is what I would be doing right now, except I got caught up in an infantile discussion started by some poster about officiating! :) :)

That's on you.

 

I do admit to being intrigued by this, on the other hand.

 

https://www.cbsnews....k-via-hologram/

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 09:38 AM

That's on you.
 
I do admit to being intrigued by this, on the other hand.
 
https://www.cbsnews....k-via-hologram/

The solution! Holographic (3D) umpires. Maybe use Leslie Nielsen in 'Naked Gun' as the prototype? :)
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Posted 30 January 2018 - 09:40 AM

 

The solution! Holographic (3D) umpires. Maybe use Leslie Nielsen in 'Naked Gun' as the prototype? :)

Or perhaps Elvis.

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 09:48 AM

The solution! Holographic (3D) umpires. Maybe use Leslie Nielsen in 'Naked Gun' as the prototype? :)

We could have Bill Klem at every base and down each line for every game.

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 10:02 AM

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 01:27 PM

I am agnostic when it comes to robot umps. I guess it depends if the bad call went against or for the Twins. MLB needs to get rid of instant replay if they don't want robot umps. I have always contended that camera angles are a big factor in whether a baseball call is deemed wrong or right by instant replay. Why aren't the same issues relevant with replay as they are with robo umps. From the link, "In the example below, you can see two views of the exact same pitch. From the mound view the pitch looks to be a ball, but a closeup shows it was a strike just barely on the edge of the zone...."

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 01:42 PM

Now we know where Phil Cuzzi got his training.
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Posted 30 January 2018 - 02:18 PM

 

why not have robot players too. 

they actually already tried this ... and named it bonds, clemens, palmeiro, etc. 

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 02:47 PM

I would miss the skills of a good catcher framing the plate, and a good pitcher expanding the zone. I'll understand if that isn't a popular opinion, I just enjoy the added in-game of that combo vs. the umpire vs. the batter. 

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 02:52 PM

I am agnostic when it comes to robot umps. I guess it depends if the bad call went against or for the Twins. MLB needs to get rid of instant replay if they don't want robot umps. I have always contended that camera angles are a big factor in whether a baseball call is deemed wrong or right by instant replay. Why aren't the same issues relevant with replay as they are with robo umps. From the link, "In the example below, you can see two views of the exact same pitch. From the mound view the pitch looks to be a ball, but a closeup shows it was a strike just barely on the edge of the zone...."

What I detest about instant replay is the delay so the manager can get input from someone on a replay to see if he should challenge. That's BS. If the call is so obviously wrong, throw the flag or beanbag or whatever. If it takes a microscope to determine the difference then you really have no idea what happened. But if you think you were wronged, go for it. One wrong challenge is all you get. That also would speed the game.
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Posted 30 January 2018 - 04:03 PM

Not yet.  Seems there's a long way to go with regard to accurately, fairly, consistently, establishing the top and bottom of the zone...or even how you should solve for that.Current (from the article) technology relies on human operators establishing the top and bottom for each plate appearance.Until that's solved...and it's not going to be easy...I'm not too excited about implementing somethingthat really wouldn't solve for the real and perceived problems of inconsistency and bias.


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Posted 30 January 2018 - 04:05 PM

they actually already tried this ... and named it bonds, clemens, palmeiro, etc.

Now that we know the whole story about Palmiero we know why he needed Viagra and became a commercial spokesperson for it in the process.

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 04:46 PM

 

Baseball got along just fine without me before 1967. And I'm sure it will continue to flourish without me five minutes after this becomes a rule. :)

 

I'm with you. 

 

When it comes to video review and pitch clock, I'll grumble endlessly but still watch. The day robo strike zone is introduced, I'm out. 

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 04:50 PM

Correct. It will no longer be baseball. And I have no interest in following broadcast video games.


I played baseball with the neighborhood kids without an umpire of any kind. We used ghost runners too. Seems to me baseball has all kinds of room for flexibility and optimization.
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Posted 30 January 2018 - 04:52 PM

 

I would miss the skills of a good catcher framing the plate, and a good pitcher expanding the zone. I'll understand if that isn't a popular opinion, I just enjoy the added in-game of that combo vs. the umpire vs. the batter. 

 

Add to that list a batter with a reputation for having a good eye shrinking the zone.

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 05:02 PM

Here is Santana's pitch to Gregorius in the wild card game that should have struck him out

 

 

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 06:15 PM

 

So was segregation, smoking in the dugout and actual monuments in the outfield of Yankee Stadium.

The goal of baseball, just as in the rest of life, should be to always look for ways to improve.

 

Segregation is immoral and unjust. Smoking causes cancer. Monuments in the outfield sounds physically dangerous. None of them have anything to do with a fundamental, definitive part of the game. None of them changed the way the game is played. Since basically 1900, there have been very few fundamental changes to the game. Adding cork to the center of the ball in 1910, adding the sac fly in 1931, lowering the mound and shrinking the strike zone in 1969, and adding the DH in the AL in 1973, are, in my opinion, the most significant changes to the game in the 20th century. A person could argue that any of these changes improved the game. Another person could just as easily argue that they did not. I'd say that the cork center was an improvement. The other changes I shrug at.

 

In the past decade, or less, there has been a flurry of significant changes and proposed changes (maybe none that compare in effect to the cork center but they all surpass in significance every other rule change in baseball since 1900). They are: rules about collisions at the plate and catchers blocking the plate, rules about break up slides at second base, the introduction of video review and manager challenges, the proposed pitch clock, and hypothesized computerized strike zones.

 

The changes that involve newly available and developing technology strike at the heart of the fundamental nature of baseball- and of all athletic competition, in my opinion. Baseball should be played, managed, and officiated on the field without artificial/synthetic/technological aids/enhancers. Human beings, wood, leather, resin, pine tar, grass, dirt; no robots, plastic, aluminum, computers, or drugs.

 

I realize that this is my subjective opinion and I respect that other people have a different opinion. I don't think that there is room for subjectivity in the examples of segregation, smoking in the dugout, or even monuments in the outfield. They are all objectively bad. It seems inaccurate and unfair to compare the advocacy for human umpires/resistance of robot umpires to any of those examples. 

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#39 Craig Arko

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 06:19 PM

I played baseball with the neighborhood kids without an umpire of any kind. We used ghost runners too. Seems to me baseball has all kinds of room for flexibility and optimization.


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Posted 30 January 2018 - 06:29 PM

 

I played baseball with the neighborhood kids without an umpire of any kind. We used ghost runners too. Seems to me baseball has all kinds of room for flexibility and optimization.

 

My brothers and I played baseball in our country driveway with a tennis ball and a broom handle. We 've all played various versions and forms of the game. MLB is the standard. With every rule change reliant on technology that is introduced to the game by MLB, the less like those beloved childhood versions it becomes.