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#21 Hosken Bombo Disco

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Posted 23 January 2018 - 10:13 PM

At this point, I'd try to sign Cobb. Lynn can pitch but is kind of an odd duck and not sure he'd fit in here. All the manufactured drama surrounding Darvish is a red flag for me. Berrios is a bona fide ace in the making, anyway.
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Posted 23 January 2018 - 10:13 PM

I'll take Arrieta as first choice. Darvish second. And a couple of rotation guys as third choice. Spend a little more for quality. A true one with Erv as a two and Berrios the third arm in a series is a nice set up.
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#23 darin617

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Posted 23 January 2018 - 10:31 PM

I want no part of Darvish. He will be 32 in August & sounds like the contract is going to $150M at least. It doesn't seem wise to go 5-6 years for a pitcher his age.

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#24 MangLitch

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Posted 23 January 2018 - 11:21 PM

I’m not the smartest “Baseball Guy” but it seems the duo is an average way of plugging up some rotation spots for 4 years. I get they can be traded, but the disaster scenario where they both are sub-par and act to block the way of the young guns just scares me.

Personally, I go Darvish. If you can’t get him, roll with what you got and maybe add a wild card signing to compete. I think we may be getting ahead of ourselves to say we are in win now mode rather than win over the next five years mode.

Crazy Mitch Brain Scenario:

Roll out what we have and see what Gonzo and Romero do first 2 months of the year. If they have what it takes, give them a shot. If not, plenty of assets to go pop the trade market and grab what you need for the push. This gives us the ability to see what we have, flexibility to extend/sign who we have and then make the decision when we have a feeling on the season.

I think we still are in 3-5 year plan mode. I don’t see our young core at the point where we have to capitalize now or we miss it. Let’s ride this young wave and leave doors open. Could you imagine have 3 Hughes type contracts sucking up valuable payroll when the young guys are better (I get it, worst case scenario) To me, I work to avoid this before taking a big risk.

Long story short......
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Posted 24 January 2018 - 02:24 AM

I would rather just have Cobb. My bet, Lynn is cooked (300 more innings than Cobb), Arrieta had his short peak, and Darvish will be the most regrettable contract of them all. I could care less about one draft pick. (Can you say Kohl Stewart? Or Alex Wimmer, or Levi Michael?) I bet Cobb will be the best pitcher of the bunch for the next 5 years. Darvish would be fine, I just think it would be only valuable for 2 years.

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Posted 24 January 2018 - 05:46 AM

What would your answer be if it was Cobb/Lynn at 4/$48M + $12M in achievable incentives (say, $3M/yr for 100+ innings)?

My understanding is the $50M threshold to lose a draft pick only counts guaranteed money. When I read that, I was curious about the fine print to see how far the non-guaranteed envelope could be pushed. I could see some team offering pitcher like Darvish (except subject to the draft pick loss) offering a 5/$49M contract plus a $71M bonus (paid over 5 years) for throwing at least 1 pitch at any time during the contract.

signing amount affects the comp pick going to the team who lost the player. It does not affect the team signing said player.

This strategy would be great if the teams affected were the Yankees and Dodgers! Im less excited to thumb my nose at St Louis or Tampa Bay.



I’m in the Darvish or trade mode. Arrieta is just so risky, Cobb and Lynn aren’t that much better than the Nolasco types, which is to say Gibson and Mejia already fit that mold.... somewhat anyways.... maybe Levine finds that improvement internally with Gonsalves, Romero or May.
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Posted 24 January 2018 - 06:52 AM

Pay for the best available: Darvish

 

Keep the draft picks, allow room for one of Romero/Gonsalves/Littell, let Gibson show us if the second half was a trend or mirage, let Meija continue to grow.

 

With our upgraded bullpen, rotation of Darvish/Santana/Berrios/Gibson/Meija is pretty solid.

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Posted 24 January 2018 - 07:35 AM

Darvish, and it isn't close. They don't need to be locked into two long term contracts. I'd take Lynn over Arietta for the record.

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Posted 24 January 2018 - 07:53 AM

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Posted 24 January 2018 - 07:57 AM

Romero and Gonsalves will most likely be on an innings limit this year, not ideal for a team trying to make a playoff push. IMO. Plus if we make a trade for a pitcher like Archer Gonsalves and Romero would probably be a part of the deal??
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Posted 24 January 2018 - 08:42 AM

 

I would rather just have Cobb.

My first would be to trade for a pitcher.

Second would be Cobb is you could get him for 4/60 (which I don't think you can)

Third Davish

If Cobb and Lynn are a combo I would pass.Getting both tells me the Front Office doesn't really see Gonzo or Romero helping this year.

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Posted 24 January 2018 - 08:57 AM

 

Cobb and Lynn aren’t that much better than the Nolasco types.

 

Your joking right?Personally, if we can't get Darvish i'd still like to have Lynn or Cobb just to shore up the rotation behind Santana and Berrios.There's no way i'd gamble on Gibson or anyone else at this point in the top 3. 

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Posted 24 January 2018 - 09:01 AM

Would I rather have Darvish or two inferior pitchers while losing an additional asset off of waivers for no return and delaying the development of several younger, cheaper pitchers likely to be better than Lynn and Cobb in a couple years while they continue to take up roster and payroll space?

 

Why is this a question?

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Posted 24 January 2018 - 09:27 AM

 

Cobb and Lynn can't get this team out of the WC round, so pass, I'd rather not sign anyone and work on trades instead. This team has to stop taking half measures. And if this team was never going to give $150M for Darvish, what was with all the big talk early on? They had to know that's what it would take.

Actually, no one knew what it was going to take. Why do you think this has dragged out for so long? 


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Posted 24 January 2018 - 09:39 AM

The Twins have a quality problem, not a quantity problem with their starting staff. I don't see Cobb or Lynn slotting in above Santana and Berrios in the rotation. Which is what they need to compete.

Darvish and it's not close.
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Posted 24 January 2018 - 09:51 AM

Personally, I would rather have Cobb and Lynn rather than Darvish. Your paying 2 for the price of 1, more secure, and having a deeper rotation will get us farther over the course of a season.

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Posted 24 January 2018 - 10:06 AM

Just to be different Cobb/Archer?

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Posted 24 January 2018 - 10:22 AM

 

Personally, I would rather have Cobb and Lynn rather than Darvish. Your paying 2 for the price of 1, more secure, and having a deeper rotation will get us farther over the course of a season.

 

I agree. The Twins still need to set a solid foundation for the pitching staff. Set the foundation. Get an ace at the trade deadline if the Twins are in it, next offseason if not.

 

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Posted 24 January 2018 - 10:23 AM

Definitely Darvish. The Twins have enough competent arms coming through the system and one or two of them might be better than Cobb/Lynn.

 

It's unlikely the same could be said for Darvish.

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Posted 24 January 2018 - 10:52 AM

I don't know, i'd have a hard time passing on Lynn if i couldn't get Darvish.Of all three Lynn has been the most consistent when it comes to innings pitched, games started, win-loss record and strikeouts. 

 

Darvish is far superior when it comes to k/9, whip and pure stuff but i also like the consistency of Lynn and he's 30.  

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