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#21 Thrylos

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Posted 23 January 2018 - 08:24 PM

 

He will probably be paid more at Texas A & M

 

That's the other side of that thing:As a professional player who made multi millions of dollars out of sports and has an agent, there is no way he should be allowed to play in the NCAA, like the other College players.

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Posted 23 January 2018 - 08:25 PM

 

Agreed.Legally, he can take off any time he wants to without owing the Twins a dime...

 

A decent person who was paid $4.5 M to stay for up to 11 years IMHO would not do that, though.

 

That's my point.

 

In what world? The Twins have no loyalty to him, just like every company, they'd cut him loose and not pay him if they wanted. It's how capitalism and contracts and business works. No one, no one, should give that money back. 

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I remain hopeful on Buxton and Sano.....but I'd not bet the franchise on them.


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Posted 23 January 2018 - 08:26 PM

 

 

 

Edit - I know my post may be piling on, but I think you're far enough of base on this to add to the pile. Normally I either agree with you or at least can see your side, but I'm missing it this time. 

 

Just a difference in opinion, and I know I am the minority here ;) No big deal, I can take it...

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Posted 23 January 2018 - 08:28 PM

 

In what world? The Twins have no loyalty to him, just like every company, they'd cut him loose and not pay him if they wanted. It's how capitalism and contracts and business works. No one, no one, should give that money back. 

Nishioka and Park did.They walked out of guaranteed $ because they were honorable.

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Posted 23 January 2018 - 08:42 PM

 

Nishioka and Park did.They walked out of guaranteed $ because they were honorable.

 

Nishioka and Park didn't return bonuses. They forwent the salary they were guaranteed for future years if they stayed with the Twins. Big difference. In fact, the Twins tried to recoup some of the posting fee from the Nexen Heroes and were denied by the team (naturally).

 

Bonuses aren't salaries. They're to persuade a player to choose you over some other opportunity.

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Posted 23 January 2018 - 09:19 PM

Not to kill a fun story, but Stewart is going to continue pitching for the Twins... 

 

 

Let me add this... "...per people I have talked to about this."

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Posted 23 January 2018 - 09:24 PM

 

Not to kill a fun story, but Stewart is going to continue pitching for the Twins... 

Glad to hear it.

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Posted 23 January 2018 - 09:43 PM

Are we really having this discusision?


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Posted 23 January 2018 - 09:43 PM

I might quibble with the word "continue"......

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Posted 24 January 2018 - 07:14 AM

 

Other than the fact that he still is under 6 years control for a club, now the Twins.Like it or not, a draft pick is controlled for 11 years or so...He is half way there.

 

This is not quite true. He will be a minor league FA either next year or the year after I believe, at which point he can go back to Football if he so chose. Only way to prevent that would be if the Twins added him to the 40 man or signs a minor league contract somewhere. There would be no need to return a bonus in that scenario.

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Posted 24 January 2018 - 07:15 AM

 

Not to kill a fun story, but Stewart is going to continue pitching for the Twins... 

 

 

Let me add this... "...per people I have talked to about this."

 

I'm glad he is. His career hasn't turned out exactly how we wanted it so far, but he has a pretty good ERA in the high minors, and he's still very young. Selfishly for our team, he's not taking a 40-man spot, and he can be stashed in the high minors all this year without any roster impact. You keep a guy like that around.

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Posted 24 January 2018 - 07:23 AM

I don't see why, the Twins basically already divested themselves from his future when they decided not to protect him this winter despite having four open 40-man spots. They would have gotten 50K if he'd been taken and kept, that's all he was worth to them.

And frankly, it would be hard to root for a team that asked for bonus money back from a player who busted; it would be beyond petty.

What did Nishi and Park do with their contracts when they left the Twins?

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Posted 24 January 2018 - 07:23 AM

Not to kill a fun story, but Stewart is going to continue pitching for the Twins...


Let me add this... "...per people I have talked to about this."

Thank you for the redirect back to topic.

Moderator note: I understand we have our opinions of what is or is not ‘decency’ in this situation, and those opinions have been stated. If you have nothing further to add rather than to restate and re-rebut those restatements, lets leave this character assassination behind. None of us knows Kohl Stewart personally, so I think enough has been stated regarding his character while lacking any true personal knowledge of said character. And since it appears that he is remaining a Twin, issues of his decency are now a non-issue. If you want to explore the broader issue of signing bonuses and contract obligations, please do so, but without unnecessary character assassinations implying indecency and dishonor.
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Posted 24 January 2018 - 07:48 AM

 

Not to kill a fun story, but Stewart is going to continue pitching for the Twins... 

 

 

Let me add this... "...per people I have talked to about this."

 

Maybe Mauer can finally go to Florida State, and they can face each other!

 

I was counting on watching them battle in the Championship game in January 2022.First no home super bowl appearance and now this - another dream crushed. 

 

I guess I will have to hope for World Series appearance for 2018 instead.


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Posted 24 January 2018 - 08:14 AM

Agreed. Legally, he can take off any time he wants to without owing the Twins a dime...

A decent person who was paid $4.5 M to stay for up to 11 years IMHO would not do that, though.

That's my point.


What if he (or any player) gets sick, injured, or dies during the life of the contract? Should he or his family owe that debt to the team?

As a culture, we should strive for more than fealty to the rich.

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Posted 28 January 2018 - 04:50 PM

 

I don't see why, the Twins basically already divested themselves from his future when they decided not to protect him this winter despite having four open 40-man spots. They would have gotten 50K if he'd been taken and kept, that's all he was worth to them.

 

I don't believe they divested themselves, they just didn't think anyone would feel he was a sure enough bet to invest a major-league roster spot for him in 2018.Most reports say the stuff to be a successful MLB arm is still there, just not the command.I think the Twins still have hope for him, but are losing faith that it will happen.

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Posted 28 January 2018 - 04:57 PM

This thread does raise an interesting question in my mind. What if a draftee gets a multi-million dollar bonus, and then decides two months later to quit baseball and follow up with something else, including college football? Or two weeks later? Or two days later? There must be some team protection built into such contracts, no?

 

I agree that Stewart would owe nothing to the Twins at this point. He tried for several seasons, didn't do as well as he expected, and might think he would be better off trying out the other path. But what if he had made this change of course before giving baseball a real chance.

It's great to get out of the cellar ... as long as you bring something with you.


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Posted 28 January 2018 - 05:38 PM

 

This thread does raise an interesting question in my mind. What if a draftee gets a multi-million dollar bonus, and then decides two months later to quit baseball and follow up with something else, including college football? Or two weeks later? Or two days later? There must be some team protection built into such contracts, no?

 

I agree that Stewart would owe nothing to the Twins at this point. He tried for several seasons, didn't do as well as he expected, and might think he would be better off trying out the other path. But what if he had made this change of course before giving baseball a real chance.

It's a sunk cost the moment they sign that contract.

 

The Twins aren't handing out extra $$ to Berrios, Buxton, Sano, ect even though they would clearly demand higher annual salaries if they hit FA at this moment. 

 

The team gets burned in the scenario you proposed but overall I think they're making out alright. 


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Posted 28 January 2018 - 05:42 PM

 

Agreed.Legally, he can take off any time he wants to without owing the Twins a dime...

 

A decent person who was paid $4.5 M to stay for up to 11 years IMHO would not do that, though.

 

That's my point.

 

Maybe, then, the only decent player ever in the game of baseball was Lyman Bostock. I know I wouldn't be decent, especially since the Twins (and all of MLB) under pay all salaries of all minor league players. Hey, I never liked the pick, especially in the first round, but Stewart gave up the opportunity to be a Division 1 quarterback, on scholarship, get a university education and gave his unreplaceable college age years, to the Twins, and the agreed upon unrefundable carrot was the bonus. There is no indecency in the whole arrangement, in my mind. And the agreement is not for 11 years, when the Twins could unilaterally end the arrangement at anytime, even if Stewart wanted to stay for 11 years.

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Posted 28 January 2018 - 05:47 PM

For all of those who think he should give some money back, but think the Twins should overpay for Darvish years 4 - 6 I am confused.Stewart did what he was asked.He played in any league they put him in.Now he is not being added to the roster, he is not really in the plans.I say - play football and good luck.

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