Jump to content

Providing independent coverage of the Minnesota Twins.
Subscribe to Twins Daily Email
Photo

2018 Vikings Off-Season Thread

  • Please log in to reply
369 replies to this topic

#361 TheLeviathan

TheLeviathan

    Twins News Team

  • Members
  • 15,430 posts

Posted 05 September 2018 - 04:45 PM

 

I'm certainly in agreement there are other teams I am more worried about.....

 

Just because all OL are not what they used to be does not mean I can look at this one and LIKE it.....which is fine, the defense should still be elite, and the QB should be more consistently good to very good. But not using early picks in the OL to build that elite defense might have costs. They are clearly one of the top 5 teams in the league, I'd feel better if the OL was better. 

 

Sure, but context is important.Would it make any sense to rip the Twins for not having their starters average 8 innings?Considering no one is doing that, it seems like a flawed criticism.

 

Offensive line play is a league wide epidemic of awfulness.Spending early picks is not a guarantee.The Pats spent one this year and their guy is hurt (injuries tend to plague lines).The Cowboys have used three - they get one injury and they're mediiocre to bad.It's about resource allocation and context.Yes, I wish they were better too, but 99% of NFL fans can say the same thing.

Edited by TheLeviathan, 05 September 2018 - 04:45 PM.


#362 Mike Sixel

Mike Sixel

    Now living in Oregon

  • Members
  • 27,284 posts

Posted 05 September 2018 - 04:50 PM

 

Sure, but context is important.Would it make any sense to rip the Twins for not having their starters average 8 innings?Considering no one is doing that, it seems like a flawed criticism.

 

Offensive line play is a league wide epidemic of awfulness.Spending early picks is not a guarantee.The Pats spent one this year and their guy is hurt (injuries tend to plague lines).The Cowboys have used three - they get one injury and they're mediiocre to bad.It's about resource allocation and context.Yes, I wish they were better too, but 99% of NFL fans can say the same thing.

 

Are you suggesting OL get hurt more than RBs or WRs? Or that there are more busts than QBs or WRs or DBs? I find that....unlikely.

 

The Vikings had great luck last year, they'll need it to be as good as last year. Aaron Rodgers isn't going to be watching 9-10 games this year....

 

https://fivethirtyei...and-the-browns/

 

I remain hopeful on Buxton and Sano.....but I'd not bet the franchise on them.


#363 TheLeviathan

TheLeviathan

    Twins News Team

  • Members
  • 15,430 posts

Posted 05 September 2018 - 04:56 PM

 

Are you suggesting OL get hurt more than RBs or WRs? Or that there are more busts than QBs or WRs or DBs? I find that....unlikely.

 

The Vikings had great luck last year, they'll need it to be as good as last year. Aaron Rodgers isn't going to be watching 9-10 games this year....

 

https://fivethirtyei...and-the-browns/

 

The schedule is much harder, but they also added a legit QB and get their RB back.  

 

I think OL get hurt at a similar clip to RB.It's why I'm also not going to advocate taking first round RBs.I don't have data to support that, it's all gut feeling, so I could be wrong.Either way, I don't agree you need to address the line early to have a good line, but we've been down that road.

 

What's important is to consider the context - virtually everyone has a bad offensive line.It's part of what is hurting the quality of the league IMO.


#364 Mike Sixel

Mike Sixel

    Now living in Oregon

  • Members
  • 27,284 posts

Posted 05 September 2018 - 05:37 PM

 

The schedule is much harder, but they also added a legit QB and get their RB back.  

 

I think OL get hurt at a similar clip to RB.It's why I'm also not going to advocate taking first round RBs.I don't have data to support that, it's all gut feeling, so I could be wrong.Either way, I don't agree you need to address the line early to have a good line, but we've been down that road.

 

What's important is to consider the context - virtually everyone has a bad offensive line.It's part of what is hurting the quality of the league IMO.

 

Addressing it late hasn't worked for this team all that well either.....thank goodness for FA.

 

Top 5-10 team, unfortunately most of the good/great teams are in the NFC right now.

  • TheLeviathan likes this

I remain hopeful on Buxton and Sano.....but I'd not bet the franchise on them.


#365 TheLeviathan

TheLeviathan

    Twins News Team

  • Members
  • 15,430 posts

Posted 05 September 2018 - 08:33 PM

Yeah, the AFC looks like a cakewalk relative to the NFC.

  • Mike Sixel likes this

#366 Mike Sixel

Mike Sixel

    Now living in Oregon

  • Members
  • 27,284 posts

Posted 10 September 2018 - 03:28 PM

Backup tackle Aviante Collins out for the year. Good luck RBs and Cousins if a starter gets hurt.... There is no depth.

I remain hopeful on Buxton and Sano.....but I'd not bet the franchise on them.


#367 Vanimal46

Vanimal46

    Opener Poster

  • Members
  • 10,693 posts
  • LocationAustin, TX

Posted 10 September 2018 - 04:30 PM

Backup tackle Aviante Collins out for the year. Good luck RBs and Cousins if a starter gets hurt.... There is no depth.


Ouch. I guess that makes sense why they signed a new guard today. No surprise that OL depth is paper thin.

#368 nicksaviking

nicksaviking

    Billy G.O.A.T

  • Twins Mods
  • 12,736 posts

Posted 11 September 2018 - 08:22 AM

 

Backup tackle Aviante Collins out for the year. Good luck RBs and Cousins if a starter gets hurt.... There is no depth.

 

 

I was hoping to see Collins, but there's always depth, the team just signed Bryan Witzmann to replace him. I'm sure he's nothing special but he did make 13 starts last year which means he's probably at minimum on par with Collins.

 

The team has already made their bed going with replacement level O linmen, I don't think the depth is an issue because the guys available are likely no better or worse than the backups they already have. If Reiff goes down we probably have issues, and he's not terribly good either. However, everyone else is already so underwhelming I can't imagine we're going to notice.


#369 Mr. Brooks

Mr. Brooks

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 5,890 posts

Posted 11 September 2018 - 10:49 AM

I was hoping to see Collins, but there's always depth, the team just signed Bryan Witzmann to replace him. I'm sure he's nothing special but he did make 13 starts last year which means he's probably at minimum on par with Collins.

The team has already made their bed going with replacement level O linmen, I don't think the depth is an issue because the guys available are likely no better or worse than the backups they already have. If Reiff goes down we probably have issues, and he's not terribly good either. However, everyone else is already so underwhelming I can't imagine we're going to notice.


There are always levels of bad, IMO.
A backup sitting on his couch waiting for a call seems likely to be worse than a backup already on a team.

#370 TheLeviathan

TheLeviathan

    Twins News Team

  • Members
  • 15,430 posts

Posted 14 September 2018 - 09:05 PM

An awesome article on Sheldon Richardson's dominant debut.