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#1 curt1965

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Posted 27 December 2017 - 02:52 PM

Twins sign Fernando Rodney. Break out the champagne! Twins agree to terms with Zach Duke. Sign me up for 4 season tickets! So you think the new Falvey/Levine regime is going to jump into the free agent market and create a championship team? Ha, ha- think again, suckers.
Pitching is everything, right? So the new front office promised to address this area when they came aboard in 2017.
Let me remind everyone of their additions:
1.) Craig Breslow
2.) Matt Belisle
3.) Justin Haley
Apparently, signing all the geriatric pitchers was intended to provide leadership and it must have worked! The new save specialist is 41, and the new loogy will be 35 in April. Thank God for these two, for now our bullpen is set and look out everyone.
But what about the starters that Falvine said they would address. Hey Twins Territory, we are going after Yu Darvish-trust us! Hey, trust me too-President Obama is coming to my house for New Year’s!
Twins fans are so gullible. For years the front office has promised us they were going to sign top line free agents- especially pitchers- so they could compete with the big boys-especially Cleveland in our division. But in truth, they have no desire to spend the money, especially this off-season, since “informed” sources have said the Twins won’t be a major factor until 2019 or 2020.
In addition, you really think the stars in this free agent class-Darvish, Arrieta, Lynn, even Cobb- want to play in Minnesota? Instead of the big markets in New York, Chicago, or Los Angeles? Or the weather friendly Florida or California teams?
For what it’s worth, none of this really matters. Apparently, Major League Baseball is ok with all of its stars being located in just the major markets, with proof of this being the trade of Giancarlo “Michael” Stanton to the Yankees for a dozen used soccer balls.
Just save the money Minnesota Twins, so I can afford to take my grandchildren to the games. They don’t care yet who wins or loses!
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Posted 27 December 2017 - 02:56 PM

It's still winter. At least wait for the Vikings to implode before turning on the Twins. The Twins have time to make moves that matter (though let's hope they start soon).

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Posted 27 December 2017 - 03:00 PM

...Where’s the Tylenol?
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Posted 27 December 2017 - 03:04 PM

 

Twins sign Fernando Rodney. Break out the champagne! Twins agree to terms with Zach Duke. Sign me up for 4 season tickets! So you think the new Falvey/Levine regime is going to jump into the free agent market and create a championship team? Ha, ha- think again, suckers.
Pitching is everything, right? So the new front office promised to address this area when they came aboard in 2017.
Let me remind everyone of their additions:
1.) Craig Breslow
2.) Matt Belisle
3.) Justin Haley
Apparently, signing all the geriatric pitchers was intended to provide leadership and it must have worked! The new save specialist is 41, and the new loogy will be 35 in April. Thank God for these two, for now our bullpen is set and look out everyone.
But what about the starters that Falvine said they would address. Hey Twins Territory, we are going after Yu Darvish-trust us! Hey, trust me too-President Obama is coming to my house for New Year’s!
Twins fans are so gullible. For years the front office has promised us they were going to sign top line free agents- especially pitchers- so they could compete with the big boys-especially Cleveland in our division. But in truth, they have no desire to spend the money, especially this off-season, since “informed” sources have said the Twins won’t be a major factor until 2019 or 2020.
In addition, you really think the stars in this free agent class-Darvish, Arrieta, Lynn, even Cobb- want to play in Minnesota? Instead of the big markets in New York, Chicago, or Los Angeles? Or the weather friendly Florida or California teams?
For what it’s worth, none of this really matters. Apparently, Major League Baseball is ok with all of its stars being located in just the major markets, with proof of this being the trade of Giancarlo “Michael” Stanton to the Yankees for a dozen used soccer balls.
Just save the money Minnesota Twins, so I can afford to take my grandchildren to the games. They don’t care yet who wins or loses!

 

:banghead:

 

Damn, I didn't know the offseason was over already. It just flew by!

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Posted 27 December 2017 - 03:26 PM

The worst thing about peoples' complaining is that, mixed into their complaints is the straw man that claims those of us that aren't complaining have "broken out the champagne"
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Posted 27 December 2017 - 03:27 PM

But what if it's a room full of poison gas?

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Posted 27 December 2017 - 03:30 PM

 

The worst thing about peoples' complaining is that, mixed into their complaints is the straw man that claims those of us that aren't complaining have "broken out the champagne"

 

Not only that, but keep in mind last year they were trying to build up a team that had just lost 100 games. That's probably a hard sell for most free agents, but also it doesn't make sense to add a bunch to your payroll when you don't know your baseline.

 

Now they have a much better idea of the talent of this team, and now it's married to some pretty positive results. This offseason -- or next, especially -- is the time to add. This offseason makes more sense with the big-money teams cutting payroll to get under luxury tax thresholds for next offseason. Beyond that, there are going to be more big-money teams than there are players next year, so that's going to trickle down to the markets for starters like Dallas Keuchel and Garrett Richards.

 

Sign Darvish now, save the headache of trying to outbid a jilted team next year.  

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Posted 27 December 2017 - 03:50 PM

Please refer back to this post when Twins don’t sign any significant players.
However, I WILL eat my words if I am wrong!

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Posted 27 December 2017 - 03:53 PM

I'll hold my breath if I want to

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Posted 27 December 2017 - 04:05 PM

 

I'll hold my breath if I want to

 

I held my breath, passed out, and now I'm holding it again. The Twins better sign someone, I can't go on like this.

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Posted 27 December 2017 - 04:14 PM

Darn.Must be even more horrible at Cleveland that lost:

 

Carlos Santana,Jay Bruce, Bryan Shaw, Joe Smith, Boone Logan, Austin Jackson

 

and replaced them with

 

Yonder Alonso, and a bunch of had been and never had been MiLB FA.On paper, that's about aloss of 8-10 wins.

 

At least all the Twins lost this off-season are minor leaguers and misfits.

 

Long post-season left.

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#12 gunnarthor

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Posted 27 December 2017 - 04:14 PM

Here's the thing. No Twins GM has ever said they'd sign a top free agent. Ever. Both Levine and Ryan have said similar things about payroll - stay within limits, build up a better farm/analytic department, look for good fits in FA. But every year, fans get super excited about a big name free agent signing here and then blame the GM when they don't get him.

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Posted 27 December 2017 - 04:16 PM

 

Twins sign Fernando Rodney. Break out the champagne! Twins agree to terms with Zach Duke. Sign me up for 4 season tickets! 

 

I don't recall seeing anyone reacting to the Rodney and Duke signings this way. I think w're pretty realistic about what Rodney and Duke are and what they are not, and no one is suggesting they are reasons to get all that excited.

 

For years the front office has promised us they were going to sign top line free agents- especially pitchers- so they could compete with the big boys-especially Cleveland in our division. 

 

This is another place where my memory is different than yours.Under TR I never had the sense that the Twins were in on top free agent pitchers.I never for a moment thought they were going to sign Zach Greinke, for example.TR even had a word for contracts like that - "legacy contracts", and he pretty much flat out said the Twins would never sign a free agent to one of them. I never felt like I was promised a top free agent pitcher before, but I am more optimistic now that the Twins have a real shot at one.

 

 

 

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Posted 27 December 2017 - 04:18 PM

 

Please refer back to this post when Twins don’t sign any significant players.
However, I WILL eat my words if I am wrong!

 

Well, I certainly hope the Twins do sign Darvish and make you eat your words, but even if they don't I still respectfully disagree with the premise of your first post.

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Posted 27 December 2017 - 04:53 PM

 

Pitching is everything, right? So the new front office promised to address this area when they came aboard in 2017.
Let me remind everyone of their additions:
1.) Craig Breslow
2.) Matt Belisle
3.) Justin Haley
 

 

How could you forget the incredible mass of the king of the geriatric pitchers, Bartolo Colón, that had been declared an emerging nation and torched Atlanta with great ineptitude for half of the year?

 

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Posted 27 December 2017 - 05:00 PM

I never hold my breath. I really don’t want to strike a pose like drjim when he’s passed out on the floor. (Pictures later.)

Sure, I hope for everything. I want my team to be the best. But I also want world peace. Somewhere in there is some perspective which is why I don’t hold my breath.
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Posted 27 December 2017 - 05:12 PM

Please refer back to this post when Twins don’t sign any significant players.
However, I WILL eat my words if I am wrong!

Then wouldn't it have been easier to just post this rant later instead of asking everyone to prematurely search for our pitchforks?
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Posted 27 December 2017 - 05:39 PM

 

Not only that, but keep in mind last year they were trying to build up a team that had just lost 100 games. That's probably a hard sell for most free agents, but also it doesn't make sense to add a bunch to your payroll when you don't know your baseline.

 

Now they have a much better idea of the talent of this team, and now it's married to some pretty positive results. This offseason -- or next, especially -- is the time to add. This offseason makes more sense with the big-money teams cutting payroll to get under luxury tax thresholds for next offseason. Beyond that, there are going to be more big-money teams than there are players next year, so that's going to trickle down to the markets for starters like Dallas Keuchel and Garrett Richards.

 

Sign Darvish now, save the headache of trying to outbid a jilted team next year.  

 

If they didn't have a grip on the talent on this team before they took the job, then they are horrible baseball execs. I don't believe that is true. They did know, and chose to ride the year out with basically no improvements, and even tried to tear down what was surprisingly performing better than they thought it would. The results were not tied to anything they did, as they did just about nothing (except try to sabotage it with jettisoning Kintzler and Garcia, and adding the rejected tanking Colon).

 

Still plenty of time to sign Darvish, until they let someone else sign him first. Personally, after watching him pitch for the Dodgers, I am not so keen on Darvish. Whether Darvish or Jake, or Lynn or Cobb, or whoever...... my bet is they will regret the contract before it is half over...... regardless. But I still want them to spend the money.

Edited by h2oface, 27 December 2017 - 05:44 PM.

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Posted 27 December 2017 - 05:57 PM

 

Not only that, but keep in mind last year they were trying to build up a team that had just lost 100 games. That's probably a hard sell for most free agents, but also it doesn't make sense to add a bunch to your payroll when you don't know your baseline.

 

Now they have a much better idea of the talent of this team, and now it's married to some pretty positive results. This offseason -- or next, especially -- is the time to add. This offseason makes more sense with the big-money teams cutting payroll to get under luxury tax thresholds for next offseason. Beyond that, there are going to be more big-money teams than there are players next year, so that's going to trickle down to the markets for starters like Dallas Keuchel and Garrett Richards.

 

Sign Darvish now, save the headache of trying to outbid a jilted team next year.  

 

I don't know. Lots of FAs go for the money first..... lots of FAs sign with bad teams. I think fans over estimate, where money is not close, just how important a good team is. It's mostly about money.

 

Secondly, it didn't take a genius front office to know the SP was bad, and was likely to remain bad. I don't understand what had to be analyzed or observed to know they needed more pitching last year. Whether there was pitching they liked or not, that's a different question. But no one had to observe anything for another year to know they needed more SP.

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I remain hopeful on Buxton and Sano.....but I'd not bet the franchise on them.


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Posted 27 December 2017 - 06:41 PM

 

If they didn't have a grip on the talent on this team before they took the job, then they are horrible baseball execs.

 

No, they knew what kind of talent that team had. I've quoted Thad Levine on that many times. But you still need time to evaluate that talent and where it's at on the winning curve/window before supplementing it. It's a cautious, measured approach. 

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