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#1 jorgenswest

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 09:07 AM

The NY Post reported the Yankees are working on a deal to acquire a Gerrit Cole. Players mentioned include Clint Frazier and Chance Adams.

The Twins might be able to step in here. How would an offer of Kepler and choice of Gonsalves/Romero match up? Maybe a little light but close. The third piece could win the deal.

Do you step in here and try to top the Yankees rumored offering of Frazier and Adams? How much beyond Kepler and one of Gonsalves/Romero do you go to persuade the Pirates?

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 09:19 AM

Use said prospects to get Archer. 2 years of Cole isn't enough.
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Posted 16 December 2017 - 09:19 AM

Kepler and one of those arms is a lot. I may be higher on Kepler than the industry, but I wouldn't even think of trading him for Frazier.
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Posted 16 December 2017 - 09:38 AM

Kepler for Cole straight up would be a loss for us. If the Yankees are going to move Frazier and Adams for two years of Cole, I think we move on. If the Yankees are giving up on Frazier, it means they have another future corner OFer coming into the fold (Bryce Harper). Money can fix a lot of issues and theYankees have more money than anyone. They can overpay.

 

Adams is similar enough to Gonsalves or Romero to match up but I don't think we can - or should - match Frazier.

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 09:44 AM

Kepler for Cole straight up would be a loss for us. If the Yankees are going to move Frazier and Adams for two years of Cole, I think we move on. If the Yankees are giving up on Frazier, it means they have another future corner OFer coming into the fold (Bryce Harper). Money can fix a lot of issues and the Yankees have more money than anyone. They can overpay.

Adams is similar enough to Gonsalves or Romero to match up but I don't think we can - or should - match Frazier.


Yanks have Judge, Stanton and Gardner. Frazier is excess even without Harper.
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Posted 16 December 2017 - 09:53 AM

 

Yanks have Judge, Stanton and Gardner. Frazier is excess even without Harper.

Judge and/or Stanton will move to 1b/DH for Harper. Their most common first baseman last year were Carter, Headley and Bird, around 40 games each. Their most common DH was Matt Holliday, with 89 starts there. None of that should prevent them from signing Harper.

 

Did you know that Harper is actually younger than Judge?

 

They could have a future with LF/RF/1B/DH held by (in some order) Harper/Stanton/Frazier/Judge if they wanted.

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 10:04 AM

Use said prospects to get Archer. 2 years of Cole isn't enough.


Easy to like that, but if the Yankees set the market for Cole at Adams/Frazier it will take much more to get Archer.
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Posted 16 December 2017 - 10:05 AM

Judge and/or Stanton will move to 1b/DH for Harper. Their most common first baseman last year were Carter, Headley and Bird, around 40 games each. Their most common DH was Matt Holliday, with 89 starts there. None of that should prevent them from signing Harper.

Did you know that Harper is actually younger than Judge?

They could have a future with LF/RF/1B/DH held by (in some order) Harper/Stanton/Frazier/Judge if they wanted.


I would take a healthy Bird over Frazier.

I think they are going to spend resources on pitching over corner bats.
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Posted 16 December 2017 - 10:12 AM

Kepler and one of those arms is a lot. I may be higher on Kepler than the industry, but I wouldn't even think of trading him for Frazier.


The Pirates get two extra years of control with Frazier. Kepler also start arbitration next year so not only is it two additional years, it is two inexpensive years. Given the years of control, I can see how the Pirates might prefer Frazier.
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Posted 16 December 2017 - 10:27 AM

I think a lot of Twins fans over value Kepler at this point. Not hitting LH pitching hurts his value a lot, imo.

 

Frazier has the two extra years of control and he still has the high prospect shine on as he hasn't played enough for any big flaws to show up.

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 10:55 AM

Easy to like that, but if the Yankees set the market for Cole at Adams/Frazier it will take much more to get Archer.


For sure but I'm willing to part with more prospects to get Archer. He solves the problem long term.

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 11:26 AM

Cole & Archer are not aces. If you are going to deal prospects I would rather over pay for a pitcher not arbitration eligible yet.

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 11:31 AM

Cole & Archer are not aces. If you are going to deal prospects I would rather over pay for a pitcher not arbitration eligible yet.


Which teams are selling pre-arbitration aces? Both contenders and rebuilding clubs tend to want to keep those kind of pitchers.
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Posted 16 December 2017 - 01:30 PM

If we can sign Darvish, should we trade for Archer too?

With a rotation of Darvish, Archer, Santana, Berrios, and Gibson / May / Mejia with Gonsalves, Romero, Jorge, Sledgers, Kohl, Thorpe and more on the way. We could trade 3 of those pitching prospects plus Gordon and a lower level prospect or 2 to get Archer and not hurt our depth too much.

Darvish would be for 5 or 6 years
Archer for 4
Santana for 1 + 1
Berrios for 5
Gibson 2
May 3 or 4

At worst we need a 4th / 5th starter type after 1 or 2 seasons.

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 01:41 PM

Sabathia signs a deal with the Yankees. 

 

That might take the Yankees out of the Cole sweepstakes. 

 

Might... I have no idea. 

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 01:51 PM

I don't understand why the Yankees aren't aiming higher for pitching, frankly. 

One of the best opening day rosters in years. Now go get 'em.


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Posted 16 December 2017 - 02:05 PM

Trying to stay focused on the Cole market...

The Pirates reportedly want Gleyber Torres in return for Cole. I would too. I don’t think they will get him. If they can approach that level the Twins don’t have the minor league assets to be in the Cole market.

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 02:26 PM

From NYY's point of view, and it's all guesswork here, but I think Torres would be too much to give up for a Cole trade. However, a request for Torres might hopefully be Pittsburgh signaling their interest in a middle infielder over corner outfielder, which leads us back to Gordon.
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Posted 16 December 2017 - 06:04 PM

 

I don't understand why the Yankees aren't aiming higher for pitching, frankly. 

They have Severino, Grey, Tanaka, Sabathia, and Montgomery for opening day and a couple solid pitching prospects - Adams and Sheffield - likely in AAA at the start of the year. Given the park and the division they play in that's probably enough and better to focus on a killer lineup and strong bullpen.


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Posted 16 December 2017 - 08:44 PM

If we can sign Darvish, should we trade for Archer too?

With a rotation of Darvish, Archer, Santana, Berrios, and Gibson / May / Mejia with Gonsalves, Romero, Jorge, Sledgers, Kohl, Thorpe and more on the way. We could trade 3 of those pitching prospects plus Gordon and a lower level prospect or 2 to get Archer and not hurt our depth too much.

Darvish would be for 5 or 6 years
Archer for 4
Santana for 1 + 1
Berrios for 5
Gibson 2
May 3 or 4

At worst we need a 4th / 5th starter type after 1 or 2 seasons.


This is the homerun move that needs to happen if we want to contend. It's risky though.

It only makes sense to go after Darvish if you're going to get one more top SP
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