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Article: Twins Select RHP Tyler Kinley In Rule 5 Draft (Lose Burdi to Phillies, Bard to Angels)

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#41 Tom Froemming

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 09:36 AM

 

Wow, color me underwhelmed.

 

Kinley's numbers look like absolute garbage above A+. I understand not protecting Bard, but losing Burdi and drafting what appears to be Jim Hoey 2.0 is just asinine. 

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Burdi: 3.68 ERA, 1.41 WHIP, 10.6 K/9, 5.2 BB/9

Kinley: 4.38 ERA, 1.43 WHIP, 10.1 K/9, 4.3 BB/9

 

Burdi is definitely the better prospect, as Kinley is two years older, but it's worth noting that per Baseball America Kinley has been clocked at 100 mph and he was their choice for best slider in the Marlins system.

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 09:37 AM

Is it possible that Burdi is coming back? The phillies select Burdi, trade him to Pittsburgh, with whom the Twins are allegedly having conversations about trading for COle. Is it possible that Pittsburgh picked up Burdi thinking he could be added to the package coming to the Twins so the Pirates can get the prospects they really want?If that happens, do the Twins have to keep Burdi on the 25 man roster all year long? Sounds far fetched, I know, but kind of makes sense...

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#43 Twinfan & Dad

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 09:39 AM

I dont think you can judge Falvey on these moves until the players actually are on the field and we see how they perform. Burdi wont see the field and Bard didnt throw in high leverage situations. Guess Falvey thought he could do better. We shall see!

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#44 nicksaviking

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 09:39 AM

 

I don't think he could be placed on the 40-man after such a move to protect him from Rule 5.

 

I would think that he would have to be placed on the 40-man but just like any other 40-man additions after the rosters were set, he'd have to remain on it until spring training, which shouldn't be an issue considering that's the same position he is in now.

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 09:42 AM

Any chance Burdi could become part of a trade for Cole?Or is that not how the trade possibility part of Rule 5 works?

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 09:43 AM

 

Burdi is definitely the better prospect, as Kinley is two years older, but it's worth noting that per Baseball America Kinley has been clocked at 100 mph and he was their choice for best slider in the Marlins system.

 

OK, you have me interested.

 

I don't like losing Burdi and Bard, and they had the roster spots for all three, but I'm happy to see an actual flame thrower in the Twins bullpen. Since he's a Rule V pick, the team is actually going to be forced to put him on the MLB roster instead of bidding their time with him in the minors until he proves to be too injured or too ineffective as has been tradition with this club.

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 09:45 AM

 

Is it possible that Burdi is coming back? The phillies select Burdi, trade him to Pittsburgh, with whom the Twins are allegedly having conversations about trading for COle. Is it possible that Pittsburgh picked up Burdi thinking he could be added to the package coming to the Twins so the Pirates can get the prospects they really want?If that happens, do the Twins have to keep Burdi on the 25 man roster all year long? Sounds far fetched, I know, but kind of makes sense...

 

I'd think it would be the opposite. On the off chance the Twins DID end up making a deal for Cole, people will be pointing out that Pittsburgh obviously had interest in Burdi and the Twins wasted an asset that could have been used to make the deal happen.

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#48 Steve Lein

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 09:47 AM

 

I would think that he would have to be placed on the 40-man but just like any other 40-man additions after the rosters were set, he'd have to remain on it until spring training, which shouldn't be an issue considering that's the same position he is in now.

 

I'm talking about if they traded him before the Rule 5 draft. 40-man rosters are locked weeks before in relation to that. That's why a trade happened now.

 

Any type of trade discussion like that would have had to be happening in early November.

Edited by Steve Lein, 14 December 2017 - 09:52 AM.

Scouting Report: Power: 30, Hitting: 50, Arm: 60, Defense: 45, Speed: 45. "Line drive swing and shows good contact and on-base abilities. Double's power at his peak. Strong arm from 2B or the OF, stiff hands. Not a fast runner, but above average instincts on the bases. Skinny body doesn't look the part, but will sneak up on you. ACL surgery sapped much of his athleticism." (Probably)


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Posted 14 December 2017 - 09:50 AM

Berardino tweeted his YouTube video of Brad Steil discussing Tyler Kinley. 

 

 

 

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 09:56 AM

 

I'm talking about if they traded him before the Rule 5 draft. 40-man rosters are locked weeks before in relation to that. That's why a trade happened now.

 

Any type of trade discussion like that would have had to be happening in early November.

 

But plenty of players were traded and signed as free agents during that window and they are added to the acquiring team's 40 man, it's just that unlike the guys who were originally on the 40-man, the new guys being added can't be removed until spring.

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 10:12 AM

Much ado about (nearly) nothing

I am not very enamored about Kinley but it is Rule V people. If Rule V works out then you get a Pressly type. That's alright...

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 10:16 AM

 

So Philadelphia traded Burdi to Pittsburgh for international cap space?

 

Why didn't the Twins do that last week? I don't see what would have prevented them from doing so.

If the Twins would have traded him for international cap space, then he probably would been added to Pittsburgh's 40-man roster, and therefore gone forever.

 

As a rule V draftee, Pittsburgh still need to keep him on the 25 man roster for the required amount of time.If they don't, they have to return him to the Twins.So, at least there is a chance to get him back.

 

I'm not too mad about this yet.Someone called Kinely a Jim Hoey 2.0, but are we sure that Burdi isn't also a Jim Hoey 2.0? 

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 10:18 AM

His winter league numbers are pretty good.... 18IP, 29K, 4H, 8W.He does like to hit people. Maybe he will be the Twins enforcer. Don't get a big lead or Tyler is coming in.

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 10:20 AM

 

Double-A stats

Burdi: 3.68 ERA, 1.41 WHIP, 10.6 K/9, 5.2 BB/9

Kinley: 4.38 ERA, 1.43 WHIP, 10.1 K/9, 4.3 BB/9

 

Burdi is definitely the better prospect, as Kinley is two years older, but it's worth noting that per Baseball America Kinley has been clocked at 100 mph and he was their choice for best slider in the Marlins system.

I'm more concerned with the 5.5 BB/9 last year in AA as a 26-year-old. Doesn't matter if you hit 100 or have the best slider in a dumpster fire of an organization if your BB rates increase every year.


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Posted 14 December 2017 - 10:21 AM

 

If the Twins would have traded him for international cap space, then he probably would been added to Pittsburgh's 40-man roster, and therefore gone forever.

 

As a rule V draftee, Pittsburgh still need to keep him on the 25 man roster for the required amount of time.If they don't, they have to return him to the Twins.So, at least there is a chance to get him back.

 

I'm not too mad about this yet.Someone called Kinely a Jim Hoey 2.0, but are we sure that Burdi isn't also a Jim Hoey 2.0? 

That was me and Burdi very well could be. But a 26-year-old with straight gas and no idea of how to control it in his year 26 season is most definitely Hoey reincarnate. 


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Posted 14 December 2017 - 10:22 AM

 

But plenty of players were traded and signed as free agents during that window and they are added to the acquiring team's 40 man, it's just that unlike the guys who were originally on the 40-man, the new guys being added can't be removed until spring.

 

The thing on those trades is the 40-man status of players changing sides doesn't change to my knowledge (after the cutoff date for Rule 5). Free agents are added to 40-man because they sign MLB contracts.

 

 

 

 

Scouting Report: Power: 30, Hitting: 50, Arm: 60, Defense: 45, Speed: 45. "Line drive swing and shows good contact and on-base abilities. Double's power at his peak. Strong arm from 2B or the OF, stiff hands. Not a fast runner, but above average instincts on the bases. Skinny body doesn't look the part, but will sneak up on you. ACL surgery sapped much of his athleticism." (Probably)


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Posted 14 December 2017 - 10:23 AM

In the swirl of praise for infrastructure work the FO is still way behind in showing me the things I am most interested in - the players on the field.Signing Pineda did nothing for me, the loss of Burdi and Bard and the pick up of Kinley are quite confusing.I hoped some of you with better stat magic at hand could show me why I should have a better opinion of this surge in activity.  

 

At this stage, if I understand our not so Hot Stove season - we have hired lots of new coaches and filled more cubicles in the office - but of course we have no metrics to judge these moves.We have Lost Belisle, Burdi, and Bard and added Kinley - which is no where close to break even.  

 

Out starting staff got a man who will not pitch in 2018 giving us a wonderful rotation on the DL and minimum expectations for 2019.  

 

What other excitement am I missing?

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 10:30 AM

 

In the swirl of praise for infrastructure work the FO is still way behind in showing me the things I am most interested in - the players on the field.Signing Pineda did nothing for me, the loss of Burdi and Bard and the pick up of Kinley are quite confusing.I hoped some of you with better stat magic at hand could show me why I should have a better opinion of this surge in activity.  

 

At this stage, if I understand our not so Hot Stove season - we have hired lots of new coaches and filled more cubicles in the office - but of course we have no metrics to judge these moves.We have Lost Belisle, Burdi, and Bard and added Kinley - which is no where close to break even.  

 

Out starting staff got a man who will not pitch in 2018 giving us a wonderful rotation on the DL and minimum expectations for 2019.  

 

What other excitement am I missing?

Near as I can tell, you're all caught up.

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 10:31 AM

Much ado about (nearly) nothing

I am not very enamored about Kinley but it is Rule V people. If Rule V works out then you get a Pressly type. That's alright...


I think you can agree that they should be aiming higher than a Pressly type. I'm more annoyed they continue to explore this avenue (rule V) when the odds are so low drafting a player who will make a positive impact for the team.
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Posted 14 December 2017 - 10:31 AM

Kohl Stewart didn't get picked? He was the one I thought a team would take a flyer on. Hate losing Burdi, guess the team is more comfortable floating a 40-man spot to a starter that likely won't pitch this season than a reliever? That's not unreasonable, I guess.

 

It's Rule V, it's sort of like buying a lottery ticket. A smart team with a high pick might get lucky but the odds aren't great.

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