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#1 Hrbowski

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 01:10 PM

Ohtani and Trout will be fun to watch...

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 01:25 PM

I thought he wanted to go to a young and upcoming team?? If that was the case why would you pick the Angels?

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 01:25 PM

Smaller market eh?

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 01:47 PM

Well, good for the Angels. 

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#5 Mike Sixel

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 01:49 PM

I'm happy for trout
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One of the best opening day rosters in years. Now go get 'em.


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 02:14 PM

I hope that he does end up being a 2-way player, as it would be fun to watch. I just do not see it happening. I think he's there to pitch. 

My prediction if he hit on a regular basis: .265 ave 12 HR56 RBI

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 02:17 PM

Was really hoping, against hope, he'd go NL. The angels are likely ahead of the Twins now

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 02:58 PM

 

Was really hoping, against hope, he'd go NL. The angels are likely ahead of the Twins now

 

However, if they are not ahead of the Astros, Mariners, and Rangers, it is pretty irrelevant as far as the Twins' post-season chances go, because those 4 will beat each other up.  

 

I think that people are expecting too much from Otani.

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 03:06 PM

However, if they are not ahead of the Astros, Mariners, and Rangers, it is pretty irrelevant as far as the Twins' post-season chances go, because those 4 will beat each other up.

I think that people are expecting too much from Otani.


They are better than Seattle and likely Texas. And probably not done adding. I think people are downplaying ohtani A lot since he didn't choose their team. He is easily the best free agent, probably in a long time.

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 03:07 PM

Smaller market eh?

according to Cashman, sure :)

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 03:09 PM

 

They are better than Seattle and likely Texas. And probably not done adding. I think people are downplaying ohtani A lot since he didn't choose their team. He is easily the best free agent, probably in a long time.

 

He's not the best free agent by talent in a long time, but he is absolutely the best free agent VALUE in the modern era.

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 04:32 PM

I wrote this up at CTTP, but the Angels are a perfect team for a six-man rotation, as they have injury issues with Alex Meyer, Tyler Skaggs, Matt Shoemaker, Garrett Richards, and Andrew Heaney, and J.C. Ramirez and Parker Bridwell return, but they had not been starters in the majors before 2017, so it's really an ideal team for an extended rotation.

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 04:39 PM

 

I wrote this up at CTTP, but the Angels are a perfect team for a six-man rotation, as they have injury issues with Alex Meyer, Tyler Skaggs, Matt Shoemaker, Garrett Richards, and Andrew Heaney, and J.C. Ramirez and Parker Bridwell return, but they had not been starters in the majors before 2017, so it's really an ideal team for an extended rotation.

Problem with bigger rotations is that it means weaker SPs get innings that better SPs should have.


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 04:44 PM

 

Problem with bigger rotations is that it means weaker SPs get innings that better SPs should have.

 

It's also what Ohtani is used to - essentially throwing once weekly.

 

There are few guys on that list of the first 5 that are primarily injury guys that would be a "lesser" pitcher. When healthy, each is a legit MLB talent in the rotation.

 

it's been mentioned as a selling point to Ohtani, quite feasibly. I'm just thinking that the Angels would be an ideal team for that setup when compared to other teams.

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 06:32 PM

Problem with bigger rotations is that it means weaker SPs get innings that better SPs should have.

Or, said another way, it mandates either an additional member of the pitching staff, or else a bullpen full of rubber arms who can handle the extra workload. Given the skimpy benches of position players in this day and age, the idea of one more pitcher might be a (pun alert) non-starter.

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 06:58 PM

I think that people are expecting too much from Otani.

I really agree with this. The odds are against his succeeding as a two-way player. Was Babe Ruth truly a 2 way player or was he a pitcher who converted to a hitter? Name the best true 2 way player in the entire history of baseball. Exactly. That's my point.

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 07:59 PM

I really agree with this. The odds are against his succeeding as a two-way player. Was Babe Ruth truly a 2 way player or was he a pitcher who converted to a hitter? Name the best true 2 way player in the entire history of baseball. Exactly. That's my point.


Are people really expecting a great two way player? I'm not. Very good pitcher as a rookie, mediocre hitter. As a pitcher, he might be better than any twin next year.

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 08:13 PM

He's not the best free agent by talent in a long time, but he is absolutely the best free agent VALUE in the modern era.


I disagree.
I think he'll be a perennial Cy Young candidate, starting with 2018.
Easily the best FA talent in quite some time.

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 08:29 PM

I disagree.
I think he'll be a perennial Cy Young candidate, starting with 2018.
Easily the best FA talent in quite some time.


Better than anyone this year or last year.
I'd debate Price and Grienke in 2015.
No chance I'd take him ahead of Scherzer in 2014. Would take him ahead of Lester.
Probably would take Cano in 13.

So he's certainly one of the best and clearly a better value than all of these guys.
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Posted 08 December 2017 - 08:48 PM

 

 

I think he'll be a perennial Cy Young candidate, starting with 2018.
 

 

That's exactly what I mean by "expecting too much.".

 

FACT:The most ridiculous video game season ever by any Japanese pitcher was Masahiro Tanaka's age 24 season when he went 24-0 with 1.27 ERA.One might argue that Darvish's 18-6,1.44 ERA age 24 season is a close second.

 

Otani has not come even close to that in Japan, in the same era with similar competition.

 

Neither of the above (other than Darvish who was voted second once) has been a "perennial" Cy Young candidate, and both had been better than Otani over there.

 

He is a novelty. Kinda.Till it wears out.And a pretty arrogant one, if you ask me.

 

No Japanese pitcher ever won a Cy Young in MLB.I don't expect Otani to be the first one...

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