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#1 gunnarthor

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 01:16 PM

Not a bad deal for the Cubs. Hopefully this gets the hot stove going.

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#2 drjim

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 01:22 PM

I agree, really good deal for the Cubs.

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 01:41 PM

They'd better have a plan to fix this:

 

Worst K:BB Ratios 2016-17 (min 300 IP)

Martin Perez 1.57

Tyler Chatwood 1.61

Kyle Gibson 1.96

Wade Miley 1.96

Luis Perdomo 2.02

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#4 Twins33

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 01:50 PM

I would have liked that deal for the Twins. His walks are definitely a concern, but the rest of his away numbers suggest that Coors crushed him...even though he's a mostly GB guy.

I guess we'll see what happens with those stats.
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 02:13 PM

$13M a year is a bit much for a guy who just finished a 4.94 FIP season with 4.7 BB/9. Getting out of Colorado should help but I still think they're overpaying.

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 02:15 PM

 

Not a bad deal for the Cubs. Hopefully this gets the hot stove going.

 

I would imagine a flurry of deals once Ohtani signs or verbally commits.

Edited by laloesch, 07 December 2017 - 02:16 PM.

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 03:40 PM

 

They'd better have a plan to fix this:

 

Worst K:BB Ratios 2016-17 (min 300 IP)

Martin Perez 1.57

Tyler Chatwood 1.61

Kyle Gibson 1.96

Wade Miley 1.96

Luis Perdomo 2.02

 

All of those pitchers have one thing in common, they're sinkerballers. Their repertoire is going to always put them near the bottom of any kind of strikeout category. Like Kyle Gibson, the sinker is Chatwood's worst pitch, probably mandated by his similarly old school club due to the fact that conventional wisdom says you need to keep the ball on the ground in Colorado.

 

Outside of Coors Field, with his really good velocity, good cutter and good curve, I'd bet a club that gets him to reduce his sinker usage has a good shot at making a real pitcher out of him.


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 03:58 PM

 

Yeah all of those pitchers have one thing in common, they're sinkerballers. Their repertoire is going to always put them near the bottom of any kind of strikeout category. Like Kyle Gibson, the sinker is Chatwood's worst pitch, probably mandated by his similarly old school club due to the fact that conventional wisdom says you need to keep the ball on the ground in Colorado.

 

Outside of Coors Field, with his really good velocity, good cutter and good curve, I'd bet a club that gets him to reduce his sinker usage has a good shot at making a real pitcher out of him.

I'm much more freaked out about his walks than anything else. His 11.3 BB% is the highest among those 67 pitchers to have logged 300 innings in the past two years. Miley is second at 9.9%. Clearly the Cubs think they can fix him, it'll be interesting to see how it works out.


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 04:26 PM

It's a lot to pay for "we think we can fix this."

 

If nothing else, it goes to show the cost of FA starting pitching.  

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 06:31 PM

This is the one I wanted the Twins to get. No worries, someday they will fix the pitching.....
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 06:57 PM

This is the one I wanted the Twins to get. No worries, someday they will fix the pitching.....

me too.

And the price is nice when one considers his away numbers and the cost of FA pitching in today's game.

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 06:58 PM

 

This is the one I wanted the Twins to get.

 

He is worse than Gibson.Career: 4.58 FIP, 4.31 ERA, 1.485 WHIP, 6.1 K/9 and 4.2 BB/9 and 90% of it in the National League.And max 158 IP in a season.

 

No. Thank. You. 

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 07:03 PM

 

 

 the price is nice when one considers his away numbers

 

3.31 ERA, 1.335 WHIP, 6.1 K/9, 1.5 K/BB Career away numbers.In the NL.Can strike maybe pitchers out and cannot find the zone.

 

Those are really not good numbers, other than his ERA. They are just a notch better than Pelfrey's career numbers with the Mets:4.36 ERA, 1.458 WHIP, 5.1 K/9, 1.6 K/BB. So you are getting a slightly better Pelfrey.

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 07:08 PM

Certainly makes the Gibson tender look like that much more of a no brainer, not that there was ever any doubt.
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 07:11 PM

It's almost like you are ignoring he pitched in Denver.....
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 07:40 PM

 

It's almost like you are ignoring he pitched in Denver.....

 

The days that Denver was the worst stadium in the majors for HRs are over.

 

Data here.

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 07:43 PM

 

It's almost like you are ignoring he pitched in Denver.....

It is almost like you ignored advanced away stats.

6 K/9 - 4 BB/9 - 4.20 FIP - 4.40 xFIP

 

Chatwood is a guy that you take a flyer on instead of giving a 3 year contract in the hopes that he can continue to beat his advanced stats for away games. Exactly the type of contract that should be avoided imo. I am rather lukewarm on Gibson for next year but I will take him 10/10 times on a cheap one year deal.

Or I will take Ervin 100/100 times instead of dumping him for alright but not good prospects because he might fall off due to age next season. And there is a large thread (and new ones every year) that want Ervin traded because his numbers are unsustainable.

Is 2016 2017 2018 the year that a good pitching prospect is truly blocked by 5 good pitchers in the starting rotation? 

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#18 Mike Sixel

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 07:55 PM

Ervin is not available to add....

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#19 Mike Sixel

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 08:00 PM

The days that Denver was the worst stadium in the majors for HRs are over.

Data here.


I never mentioned home runs. Not sure how that is important
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#20 Thrylos

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 08:19 PM

 

I never mentioned home runs. Not sure how that is important

 

That was the reason that Denver was thought of as a horrible place to pitch.Allegedly

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