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Article: Part 8: Seth's Updated Top 50 Minnesota Twins Prospects (1-5)

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#61 Mr. Brooks

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Posted 01 December 2017 - 07:08 PM

They don't have to be inducted to the Hall of Fame to be included. For example, it is pretty safe to say that none of Ryan & Co's picks from 1994 to 2011 will make it to the Hall of Fame, with the potential exception of maybe Mauer and that is very unlikely. For picks drafter from 2012-2016 we will know in 2-3 years or so.
How about rings? World Series appearances? Better way to judge a GM and FO?
Because the result is the same as far as Ryan goes.

Yes, plenty of legit ways to show Terry Ryan was a mediocre at best GM, and I agree he was.
I just think hof players drafted isn't a very good one.

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Posted 01 December 2017 - 07:15 PM

 

They don't have to be inducted to the Hall of Fame to be included.For example, it is pretty safe to say that none of Ryan & Co's picks from 1994 to 2011 will make it to the Hall of Fame, with the potential exception of maybe Mauer and that is very unlikely.For picks drafter from 2012-2016 we will know in 2-3 years or so.

How about rings?World Series appearances?Better way to judge a GM and FO? 

Because the result is the same as far as Ryan goes.

 

My bigger point is that he's drafted a lot of very good hitters since 1994... Of course, he was much more involved in the draft from 1987 through 1993 (Knoblauch, Hunter), when he was the scouting director.

 

Maybe they're not Hall of Famers, but I would feel happy if I knew a GM whose teams drafted the likes of Todd Walker, Michael Cuddyer, Joe Mauer, Denard Span, Ben Revere, Trevor Plouffe, and Byron Buxton. One of them is a borderline Hall of Famer. There are a couple of 20+ WAR guys, and Buxton's well on his way. Yes, there are misses too, like all GMs. Matt Moses didn't pan out. Neither did BJ Garbe. But again, show me another GM that hasn't had some bad misses?


#63 Seth Stohs

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Posted 01 December 2017 - 07:16 PM

 

They don't have to be inducted to the Hall of Fame to be included.For example, it is pretty safe to say that none of Ryan & Co's picks from 1994 to 2011 will make it to the Hall of Fame, with the potential exception of maybe Mauer and that is very unlikely.For picks drafter from 2012-2016 we will know in 2-3 years or so.

How about rings?World Series appearances?Better way to judge a GM and FO? 

Because the result is the same as far as Ryan goes.

 

And my original comment was saying that he has a pretty good track record with drafting hitters... nothing to do with world series rings or anything like that.


#64 Thrylos

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Posted 01 December 2017 - 07:19 PM

 

So... Umm... 

 

In the last ten years, 19 players "went into the Hall of Fame." The latest that a player was drafted who got into the Hall of Fame were Frank Thomas and Jeff Bagwell, who were drafted in 1989... So, of those 23 years, zero of them are Hall of Famers... 

 

Just math... and a 10-minute research session on Baseball-Reference. 

 

See above.I am talking about Hall of Famers.Do you want to wait until their eligibility is over to say that nobody who Ryan (& Co) drafted from 1994 to 2011 (with the potential but unlikely exception) of Mauer is a Hall of Famer?About 2-3 people who are drafted per year make it to the Hall of Fame.That's the ratio.

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Posted 01 December 2017 - 07:20 PM

 

And my original comment was saying that he has a pretty good track record with drafting hitters... nothing to do with world series rings or anything like that.

 

Again:Who are the Hall of Fame caliber hitters that he drafted? Stahoviak?

 

Not that MacPhail did much better, but we know who his scouting director was...

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Posted 01 December 2017 - 07:29 PM

I honestly hit the back button to make sure I was still on the right thread...I love talking/reading about prospects, hope for the future, etc. How did this thread turn into a reductive (and ridiculous) look into the rear view mirror? Oh wait...
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#67 Thrylos

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Posted 01 December 2017 - 07:30 PM

Another way of looking at it.All Stars.Only 7 position players who Ryan (&Co) drafted made it to the All Star game (and only 2 of them Mauer and Morneau more than 1 times.) .That is about 20 position players who are All Stars per year, and a lot of years...

 

How about MVPs?2

 

Silver Sluggers?

 

No matter where you draw the line, it is below what the average should have been.

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#68 Seth Stohs

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Posted 01 December 2017 - 07:49 PM

 

I honestly hit the back button to make sure I was still on the right thread...I love talking/reading about prospects, hope for the future, etc. How did this thread turn into a reductive (and ridiculous) look into the rear view mirror? Oh wait...

 

I know... 


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Posted 01 December 2017 - 08:03 PM

Mod note: please, let's not let a passing reference to Terry Ryan turn this thread about present prospects into yet another referendum on old topics...

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