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Article: Part 7: Seth's Updated Top 50 Minnesota Twins Prospects (6-10)

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#41 TNTwinsFan

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 10:29 AM

I think Rooker belongs in the Top 5. That kid is gonna rake!
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Posted 28 November 2017 - 10:49 AM

 

I get it, but I'd rather wait to see him not hit before I rank him too low (though I don't have him as high as Seth). 

 

But the injury to Kirilloff shouldn't really hurt his prospect stock much, right? A lost year of playing time is unfortunate, but I'm sure he's developed physically over that time. He'll be 20 and I suspect in Cedar Rapids, just like Blankenhorn and Diaz were this past season, so it's not like he's fallen way behind or anything like that. I just don't see that injury as having much impact on his overall ceiling or floor. 

 

No, I wouldn't bump his stock other than what I talked about above. This comment was more about the injury concern part. 

 

It does worry people, and for a lot those players need to earn back that trust. Thorpe (i think) has done so at this point while Kirilloff hasn't even started to.

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 11:04 AM

 

I find it interesting there's been so much support for Lewis Thorpe in the comments of this series, yet at the same time a lot of concern over players who were recently or are currently injured. And nobody seems to disagree with Fernando Romero being in the top 5 despite his injury history and the fact he ended the season clearly not himself.

 

I'm not saying I disagree with the rankings or those concerns, but it's just funny how some guys seem to get the benefit of the doubt while a guy like Kirilloff gets the misfortune of the doubt.

 

I know.Isn't it a shame that Miguel Sano had TJ surgery and now has a damaged arm and can't throw BB's over to first base anymore?

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 12:02 PM

 

Its been 30 years since I read Ball Four so I may not remember this perfectly but Sal Maglie was a pitching coach that told Bouton he needed to mix up his pitches more so batters couldn't sit on one pitch. Bouton pointed out that Maglie threw a lot of curve balls in his day. Maglie admitted he did. Bouton asked if batters sat on that pitch and Maglie not seeing the hypocrisy said "Yep, they knew it was coming but they still couldn't touch it"  

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 12:07 PM

MiLB.com lists Graterol as 6'-1", 180.Does that qualify as "big & strong"?For a pitcher, I'd figure that as 6'-4", 220 and up....

He's 19, so I'd doubt he grows taller, but he'll surely add some weight/strength.But the plane a 6'-1" pitcher operates on is different from 6'-4" and up.

 

Looks like some high ceilings in this grouping.  


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Posted 28 November 2017 - 01:08 PM

 

I think Rooker belongs in the Top 5. That kid is gonna rake!

 

I think Rooker deserves all Top 5 spots. My list goes:

 

1: Brent Rooker

2: Brent Rooker

3: Brent Rooker

4: Brent Rooker

5: Brent Rooker

6: Nick Gordon

7: Brent Rooker

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 01:41 PM

 

My general rule is that I want to see a return before I give the benefit of the doubt. Returns from injury are not automatic. Thorpe is back, stayed healthy, put in innings, and did well at a decently high level. I want to see Kiriloff hit before I rank him too high.

 

I share your concern on Romero. I think he likely ends up in the bullpen, perhaps by mid-season. I would personally put him behind Gonsalves and Thorpe, and I would have Javier and probably Rooker ahead of him too.

This is why I am so high on Alex Cobb.In his first full season back he has ERA and QS% very similar to Darvish but in a tougher division and league. That is without the feel of his best pitch having come back yet. To me he is much more attractive since it is not only money that would get him here rather than prospects but much less money than Darvish.Similar statsif your goal is run prevention and yet Darvish is considered ace and Cobb considered middle rotation at best. I don't get it. I would rather have Darvish but not by that much.

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 02:35 PM

 

MiLB.com lists Graterol as 6'-1", 180.Does that qualify as "big & strong"?For a pitcher, I'd figure that as 6'-4", 220 and up....

He's 19, so I'd doubt he grows taller, but he'll surely add some weight/strength.But the plane a 6'-1" pitcher operates on is different from 6'-4" and up.

 

Looks like some high ceilings in this grouping.  

 

The Phil Miller article in Baseball American on Graterol said that he gained 60 pounds of muscle since signing. He wasn't 120 when he signed... He may not get taller, but he's strong. 

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 03:33 PM

 

#9 missed a bit of time, though the season is fairly short, so it would have amounted to about two months if he had been with a full-season team at the time.

 

#8 - Baddoo hasn't missed any time.

 

#7 - Graterol did miss from June 2015 through the 2016 season.

You are right, and I am wrong.I saw "Baddoo" and thought "Kiriloff".Thank you for the correction.


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Posted 28 November 2017 - 04:40 PM

Note that the previous SEC Triple Crown winner was Rafael Palmeiro. A different style, but it would be nice to see Rooker bringing that kind of production.

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 04:56 PM

This is why I am so high on Alex Cobb. In his first full season back he has ERA and QS% very similar to Darvish but in a tougher division and league. That is without the feel of his best pitch having come back yet. To me he is much more attractive since it is not only money that would get him here rather than prospects but much less money than Darvish. Similar stats if your goal is run prevention and yet Darvish is considered ace and Cobb considered middle rotation at best. I don't get it. I would rather have Darvish but not by that much.


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Posted 28 November 2017 - 07:51 PM

The best part about so many having different opinions is most that can and have a provided evidence for their reasoning (minus the homeschooling jab) and it makes sense. Baddoo has a huge ceiling. Rooker has amazing power and he's close to the Majors. Kirilloff has a pedigree and a great hit tool. Thorpe, Enlow, etc, etc. The guy that I LOVE is Javier. I guy that no one has questioned his ability to stick at short and has shown a great stick so far. He may not ever have the pop of Royce Lewis, but if his defense is much better, it may be hard to separate them in a few years. I wouldn't be shocked to see the Twins have three SS's (Gordon, Lewis and Javier) all listed as top 25 prospects at some point in their minor league careers.
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Posted 29 November 2017 - 12:46 PM

Did I miss when Rooker hit like Babe Ruth?

 

It's such an incredibly small sample, for a college graduate, in leagues he should dominate.... and he still struck out 26% of the time.

 

I mean, I like him as a prospect, but I feel like there's serious Rooker overhyping going on here (and yes... I know the "rooker is my whole top 5" post was a joke)

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Posted 29 November 2017 - 01:00 PM

 

Did I miss when Rooker hit like Babe Ruth?

In the FSL. I wasn't all that impressed with him pounding on kids in the Appy League, but what he did with the Miracle was unbelievable. There were only 15 hitters who had more HRs in the FSL, and Rooker was only there for 40 games. I shared this on Twitter yesterday ...

 

PA/HR for Fort Myers

14.7 Brent Rooker, 2017

15.2 Miguel Sano, 2013

20.4 David Ortiz, 1997

 

The strikeouts are a concern, especially since they didn't come with a gaudy walk rate, but the power is so hot. The guy hit 41 homers in 129 games total last year between college and the minors.

 

I get it if some people don't buy into the hype, especially given the small sample and his apparent lack of positive defensive value at this point, but I'm allowing myself to get excited already.

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Posted 29 November 2017 - 01:17 PM

 

Did I miss when Rooker hit like Babe Ruth?

 

It's such an incredibly small sample, for a college graduate, in leagues he should dominate.... and he still struck out 26% of the time.

 

I mean, I like him as a prospect, but I feel like there's serious Rooker overhyping going on here (and yes... I know the "rooker is my whole top 5" post was a joke)

I think Tom covered it pretty well. He's a good prospect but he's not top 5. He might slip into a back end top 100 somewhere (Sickels). He wasn't a top of the draft pick. He's just a good pick playing well with one really good tool and some evidence, so far, that he might be able to hit at higher levels. That's all very encouraging. 

 

You should look at how he's doing vs. other college bats taken in similar spots in recent drafts. Rooker looks very good.


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Posted 29 November 2017 - 11:59 PM

 

Enlow probably needs to regain some of his velocity to move up too much more, but the curveball is exciting. 

 

I think he could start the season in Cedar Rapids... Maybe more likely, he starts at EST and comes up to Cedar Rapids in early June or something like that. 

I personally saw Enlow throw on 3 occasions in the GCL and NEVER once did I see him throw a FB under 93 mph.In fact by the end of the season he was sitting 94-95 mph and touching 96 mph.His power breaking ball sits at 84-86 mph with tight sharp break.And while that changeup is developing, he throws a great tumble on it at 88-89 mph.But he needs to bulk up to continue the grind of a full season as the kid is all arms and legs.

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Posted 30 November 2017 - 12:57 AM

 

In the FSL. I wasn't all that impressed with him pounding on kids in the Appy League, but what he did with the Miracle was unbelievable. There were only 15 hitters who had more HRs in the FSL, and Rooker was only there for 40 games. I shared this on Twitter yesterday ...

 

PA/HR for Fort Myers

14.7 Brent Rooker, 2017

15.2 Miguel Sano, 2013

20.4 David Ortiz, 1997

 

The strikeouts are a concern, especially since they didn't come with a gaudy walk rate, but the power is so hot. The guy hit 41 homers in 129 games total last year between college and the minors.

 

I get it if some people don't buy into the hype, especially given the small sample and his apparent lack of positive defensive value at this point, but I'm allowing myself to get excited already.

 

Of course, Sano was 19-years-old for the first month+ that he was with Ft. Myers. Ortiz was 20. 

 

It's a good rate stat to look at, but it does need some context. Of course, Rooker only had about 5 weeks of pro ball under his belt when he did it whereas Sano and Ortiz were in their fourth seasons as professionals. 

 

Rooker is a terrific prospect, and his age doesn't bother me. He was a four-year college guy and he was in Ft. Myers five weeks into his pro career. As I've written before... that's very unusual... It was impressive enough for me to rank him 6th, ahead of four younger players that probably have a higher ceiling. So it's fair to say I'm pretty high on Rooker. 

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Posted 30 November 2017 - 02:53 PM

 

You know, I find it kind of interesting/funny when we debate the Twins system and say it's down...just a bit at least...because it may be lacking a few "stud" prospects like Sano or Buxton and maybe Berrios. But when I look through this list, I'm almost surprised how deep the system is in quality and potential ceiling despite seemingly missing those "special" prospects.

And yet, when you examine this deep list, there are some guys that just jump out at you and make you wonder if there might not be a couple of those "stud" prospects a year from now. Especially some of the lower level guys like Lewis and the kids listed here.

I have to be honest, if I were a potential trade partner of the Twins, while I might have to wait longer to see them develop and arrive, as much as we talk about Romero, Gonsalves, Thorpe and Gordon, I'm not so sure I wouldn't be looking at players at the A level as the guys I'd really want back in return.

 

several of the guys in this section could be the "can't miss" types next year at this time.


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Posted 30 November 2017 - 02:57 PM

 

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(reference to his perpetual home schooling)

Honestly Thrylos, between this and your rather public dislike for Dozier, it seems rather obvious that your dislike for the religious type tends to overly influence your perception of a player (in a negative way).

 

I'm not quite sure where I'd rank Kirilloff, but he would without question be in the top 10, even with the injury... at least for this year. Give the kid a shot.

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Posted 30 November 2017 - 03:04 PM

 

Did I miss when Rooker hit like Babe Ruth?

 

It's such an incredibly small sample, for a college graduate, in leagues he should dominate.... and he still struck out 26% of the time.

 

I mean, I like him as a prospect, but I feel like there's serious Rooker overhyping going on here (and yes... I know the "rooker is my whole top 5" post was a joke)

 

Given the SSS, it's probably worth noting the context of the Ks. He started out both of his stints with poor production and high Ks. While he still struck out once producing, it's worth nothing that he adjusted to both leagues and did quite well after.




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