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Article: Part 7: Seth's Updated Top 50 Minnesota Twins Prospects (6-10)

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#21 Seth Stohs

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Posted 27 November 2017 - 11:25 PM

 

Thank you, Seth;

 

I've posted something similar in the past.But, looking the proverbial gift horse in its proverbial mouth, please correct me if I am wrong:

 

#9: missed a season due to a serious injury

#8: missed a season due to a serious injury

#7: missed a season due to a serious injury

 

Is there something in the water?

 

#9 missed a bit of time, though the season is fairly short, so it would have amounted to about two months if he had been with a full-season team at the time.

 

#8 - Baddoo hasn't missed any time.

 

#7 - Graterol did miss from June 2015 through the 2016 season.


#22 twinstalker

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 02:40 AM

I don't think we should assume Kiriloff is in Seth's top 5.

(Okay, I'm kidding, but this is why I think prospect lists should be presented in the opposite direction)


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Posted 28 November 2017 - 07:13 AM

 

Enlow probably needs to regain some of his velocity to move up too much more, but the curveball is exciting. 

 

I think he could start the season in Cedar Rapids... Maybe more likely, he starts at EST and comes up to Cedar Rapids in early June or something like that. 

Seth,Is Enlow having arm issues or does not have high velocity on his fastball,this answer leaves some troubling questions.Other thing is he could just need to fill out to gain 2 - 3 MPH on his fastball


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Posted 28 November 2017 - 07:16 AM

There are so few decent curveballs around, that if he can control that pitch, he could well be adecent midrotation starter with a 90 - 92 MPH heater and a changeup.

It was commented by the announcers in game 7 of the ACLS that McCullers threw 24 consecutive curveballs and the Yankee hitters just looked silly at the plate. 

Let's get him moving up before the league starts seeing great curveballs again.

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 07:52 AM

Every one of these players should be a major league starter if they come anywhere near their ceilings.Granted, four of five are young and could not develop as we hope.But if they reach their ceilings, they all could be all-stars or beyond.

 

And these guys are #6 thru #10.Wow!!!

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 08:06 AM

 

There are so few decent curveballs around, that if he can control that pitch, he could well be adecent midrotation starter with a 90 - 92 MPH heater and a changeup.

It was commented by the announcers in game 7 of the ACLS that McCullers threw 24 consecutive curveballs and the Yankee hitters just looked silly at the plate. 

Let's get him moving up before the league starts seeing great curveballs again.

We have a curveball specialist on the team and I do not hear much excitement since he burst on the seen with a sensational end of the season debut.But Duffey has not progressed and when TD puts up starting and bullpen reflections his name is conspicuous by its absence. Enlow's curve is a good signature pitch, but he needs a bigger arsenal.


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Posted 28 November 2017 - 08:11 AM

Count me among the readers who would not have Kiriloff above Rooker at this time.I understand that position players come back from injuries better than pitchers, but Kiriloff has not had enough playing time in the system to really tell us if his potential plays out.  

 

When you finish the list I would love to see you put down the entire list in one column and expected time to reach the majors next to each one.I also would like to see gains and losses - those who dropped in the ratings and those who rose.

 

I am also surprised by Graterol rating this high, but mostly because I really do not know anything about him.I saw his name in some minor league wrap ups, but did not see him getting this high this soon. 


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Posted 28 November 2017 - 08:18 AM

 

There are so few decent curveballs around, that if he can control that pitch, he could well be adecent midrotation starter with a 90 - 92 MPH heater and a changeup.

 

Yeah, I'm starting to feel like there is getting to be a little fastball saturation.Hitters are seeing more and more high velocity guys, even in the low minors.I sometimes wonder if it actually opens up avenues for guys in different niches to be more successful than they might otherwise be, provided they are really good at their style of pitching of course.


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Posted 28 November 2017 - 08:42 AM

I like this group a lot. I'm ok with Kiriloff ahead of Rooker and Baddoo for now because I think Kiriloff has a better overall hit tool which is more important. But it's a small quibble. All three are darn good prospects.

 

I think Baddoo should be #6 (Gordon, Lewis, Romero, Gonsalves, Kiriloff, Baddoo, Rooker, Enlow, Thorpe and Graterol) and I think he'll sneak onto some top 100 lists. I absolutely love his upside. Ceiling wise, I think he and Lewis are the only ones who could sneak into the top 10 down the line.

 

Rooker grew on me and Sickels is a big fan - he might make his top 100. I like that he should be in AA this year and his power looks great. Really nice pick.

 

I'm not sure what to make of Javier yet since he's so far away but the tools are certainly exciting.  

 

As to the pitchers, what does it say to our system depth that Enlow - a top 30 or so draft prospect can barely crack our top 10? We don't have the upside of a few years ago but the current depth is fantastic. I've hung around a few other baseball blogs/forums over the last year and a guy who came up in a few places to try and "steal" from us was Graterol. I was surprised there was such a whisper campaign about him.

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 08:43 AM

Are we really rating socialization skills now?Do we use the traditional 20-80 scale?

 

Snark aside, I am in agreement with AK in the top 5.

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 08:44 AM

 

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(reference to his perpetual home schooling)

 

Why would that matter?I wouldn't have Kiriloff above some of these guys, but....I am not sure why home schooling is a reason to downgrade a prospect.  

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 09:19 AM

 

We have a curveball specialist on the team and I do not hear much excitement since he burst on the seen with a sensational end of the season debut.But Duffey has not progressed and when TD puts up starting and bullpen reflections his name is conspicuous by its absence. Enlow's curve is a good signature pitch, but he needs a bigger arsenal.

Just my eyeball test here but Duffey was great in 2015. He had good command of his fastball and a dizzying assortment of speeds and angles with his very sharp breaking curve ball. Since then his fastball might have the same velocity but not the same control and his curve ball does not seem as sharp and on average seems to be a little more flat.Kind of like Scott Diamond. His best year he had a great curve ball. The next year, probably because of arm problems it just wasn't as sharp. Saying the batters adjusted to him or that he didn't have enough arsenal just isn't telling the story.If Duffey pitched in 2016 as well as he did in 2015 he would still be in the rotation, IMO.

 

Its been 30 years since I read Ball Four so I may not remember this perfectly but Sal Maglie was a pitching coach that told Bouton he needed to mix up his pitches more so batters couldn't sit on one pitch. Bouton pointed out that Maglie threw a lot of curve balls in his day. Maglie admitted he did. Bouton asked if batters sat on that pitch and Maglie not seeing the hypocrisy said "Yep, they knew it was coming but they still couldn't touch it"  

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#33 Tom Froemming

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 09:25 AM

I find it interesting there's been so much support for Lewis Thorpe in the comments of this series, yet at the same time a lot of concern over players who were recently or are currently injured. And nobody seems to disagree with Fernando Romero being in the top 5 despite his injury history and the fact he ended the season clearly not himself.

 

I'm not saying I disagree with the rankings or those concerns, but it's just funny how some guys seem to get the benefit of the doubt while a guy like Kirilloff gets the misfortune of the doubt.

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 09:39 AM

 

I like this group a lot. I'm ok with Kiriloff ahead of Rooker and Baddoo for now because I think Kiriloff has a better overall hit tool which is more important. But it's a small quibble. All three are darn good prospects.

 

I think Baddoo should be #6 (Gordon, Lewis, Romero, Gonsalves, Kiriloff, Baddoo, Rooker, Enlow, Thorpe and Graterol) and I think he'll sneak onto some top 100 lists. I absolutely love his upside. Ceiling wise, I think he and Lewis are the only ones who could sneak into the top 10 down the line.

 

Rooker grew on me and Sickels is a big fan - he might make his top 100. I like that he should be in AA this year and his power looks great. Really nice pick.

 

I'm not sure what to make of Javier yet since he's so far away but the tools are certainly exciting.  

 

As to the pitchers, what does it say to our system depth that Enlow - a top 30 or so draft prospect can barely crack our top 10? We don't have the upside of a few years ago but the current depth is fantastic. I've hung around a few other baseball blogs/forums over the last year and a guy who came up in a few places to try and "steal" from us was Graterol. I was surprised there was such a whisper campaign about him.

 

My concern with Baddoo is it is Appy League numbers. We've been fooled before. Want to see some performance at Cedar Rapids before I get too excited.

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 09:42 AM

Couple guys on here who I probably wouldn't have put as high yet. Not because they don't have the talent to be there, but I like a few others better. Graterol would be bumped for Thorpe, Baddoo probably dropped a spot or two (but potential to move up a lot again in 2018 - he wasn't in any top 20's coming into year). Might have to get Zack Littell in there too.

 

I'd probably have Wander Javier higher as well. He was #6 on TD's list going into 2017. I know this is Seth's ranking and this may not be the case, but I would have at a minimum held his ranking, but definitely not downgraded it after his season in Elizabethton.

 

I'm also not one to drop guys down because of injury in my lists, but due to the seasons some others put up while he was out, I would probably would have bumped down Kirilloff into this section.

 

So, something like Baddoo, Littell, Thorpe, Javier, Kirilloff 10-6 here for me. Couple guys I may bump Baddoo for as well.

 

Definitely looking forward to how the top 5 slot!

Scouting Report: Power: 30, Hitting: 50, Arm: 60, Defense: 45, Speed: 45. "Line drive swing and shows good contact and on-base abilities. Double's power at his peak. Strong arm from 2B or the OF, stiff hands. Not a fast runner, but above average instincts on the bases. Skinny body doesn't look the part, but will sneak up on you. ACL surgery sapped much of his athleticism." (Probably)

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 09:44 AM

 

I find it interesting there's been so much support for Lewis Thorpe in the comments of this series, yet at the same time a lot of concern over players who were recently or are currently injured. And nobody seems to disagree with Fernando Romero being in the top 5 despite his injury history and the fact he ended the season clearly not himself.

 

I'm not saying I disagree with the rankings or those concerns, but it's just funny how some guys seem to get the benefit of the doubt while a guy like Kirilloff gets the misfortune of the doubt.

 

My general rule is that I want to see a return before I give the benefit of the doubt. Returns from injury are not automatic. Thorpe is back, stayed healthy, put in innings, and did well at a decently high level. I want to see Kiriloff hit before I rank him too high.

 

I share your concern on Romero. I think he likely ends up in the bullpen, perhaps by mid-season. I would personally put him behind Gonsalves and Thorpe, and I would have Javier and probably Rooker ahead of him too.

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 09:47 AM

 

I find it interesting there's been so much support for Lewis Thorpe in the comments of this series, yet at the same time a lot of concern over players who were recently or are currently injured. And nobody seems to disagree with Fernando Romero being in the top 5 despite his injury history and the fact he ended the season clearly not himself.

 

I'm not saying I disagree with the rankings or those concerns, but it's just funny how some guys seem to get the benefit of the doubt while a guy like Kirilloff gets the misfortune of the doubt.

 

I think it's more the fact that Thorpe was back this year and pitched well. Being back is step 1 to regaining that trust. Performing again is step 2.

 

Thus, to me at least, Thorpe is 3 steps ahead on this coming back from injury curve than Kirilloff. So yes, he does get the benefit on that.

Scouting Report: Power: 30, Hitting: 50, Arm: 60, Defense: 45, Speed: 45. "Line drive swing and shows good contact and on-base abilities. Double's power at his peak. Strong arm from 2B or the OF, stiff hands. Not a fast runner, but above average instincts on the bases. Skinny body doesn't look the part, but will sneak up on you. ACL surgery sapped much of his athleticism." (Probably)

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 09:52 AM

 

My concern with Baddoo is it is Appy League numbers. We've been fooled before. Want to see some performance at Cedar Rapids before I get too excited.

 

That may be why he's #8 and not #4. 

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 09:56 AM

 

My concern with Baddoo is it is Appy League numbers. We've been fooled before. Want to see some performance at Cedar Rapids before I get too excited.

 

Thats valid.But Baddoo's has a lot of things in his favor.Very good peripheral numbers that indicate his numbers were not flukey, draft pedigree and glowing scouting reports.

 

We will see and its very possible he falls off a cliff.But its Winter time and as of today he looks super.

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 10:05 AM

 

I want to see Kiriloff hit before I rank him too high.

I get it, but I'd rather wait to see him not hit before I rank him too low (though I don't have him as high as Seth). 

 

I think it's more the fact that Thorpe was back this year and pitched well. Being back is step 1 to regaining that trust. Performing again is step 2.

 

Thus, to me at least, Thorpe is 3 steps ahead on this coming back from injury curve than Kirilloff. So yes, he does get the benefit on that.

But the injury to Kirilloff shouldn't really hurt his prospect stock much, right? A lost year of playing time is unfortunate, but I'm sure he's developed physically over that time. He'll be 20 and I suspect in Cedar Rapids, just like Blankenhorn and Diaz were this past season, so it's not like he's fallen way behind or anything like that. I just don't see that injury as having much impact on his overall ceiling or floor. 




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