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Article: Three Bagger: Darvish, Marte & Otani

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#21 jrod23

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 04:53 PM

 

Either I'm misunderstanding you, or you misunderstood the article. The Twins still have the same 3.2 Million to spend, because we voided his contract awhile ago but it wasn’t made public until yesterday. At the end of the day we might not get either Darvish or Otani, we might just resign Marte.

 

Got it.I read this, "Marte is now a free agent and has been working out for clubs in Florida. With Marte’s contract off the books, the Twins have an extra $3 million available in their bonus pool to spend on other players. The deadline to use that money is June 15, 2018." and automatically thought that was banked money.I saw in another article now too that it's $3.245.

 

As for all the people turned off from signing different Asian born players, we see nothing more than random Youtube videos at most.Gotta trust the guys with THE greatest jobs on earth, the scouts.

 

 

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 04:54 PM

I'd love to see the Twins drink the same Kool-Aid as the Timberwolves drank this past summer.

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 05:43 PM

I keep trying to get the pathetic look on Darvish's face from the mound during the World Series out of my head....... and how the rental totally screwed the Dodger's. Not once, but twice. It really was a nightmare. Trusting game 7 to a visitor. Positive the "ace" couldn't pitch so poorly twice in a row in the Series......... Ouch. 

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 07:01 PM

 

Yep. Without diving into the hot taek argument of "WHAT IS AN ACE?", Darvish would absolutely be the best pitcher on this team. I don't like getting into the weeds of whether he's an ace, #2, or #3 pitcher on a grand scale. 

 

Darvish would be the Twins' opening day starter, the first person they'd look at starting on short rest, and start multiple games in a post season series. 

Darvish is 31. And hasn't he had some injury issues the last couple of years?

 

I'm not wild about 30 something year old starting pitchers. The Twins already have one of those on the staff. 

 

But, I also admit I'm not wild about spending big bucks on FA pitching, especially when a pitcher is on the other side of 30. Granted, Santana has done darn well but, I think he's more the exception than the rule.

 

Of course, this leads into the very real problem the Twins have when it comes to lack of pitching in the farm system. 

 

And that leads me to believe the Twins are going to have to trade for a younger arm out of another farm system. 

 

Bottom line, I'm expecting the FO to do something other than the obvious.


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Posted 16 November 2017 - 07:09 PM

 

Park is from Korea, and Otani is from Japan. They're separate countries who have historically hated one another. Do you apply this standard to American-born players? Plenty of them have busted much worse than Park.

How many American born players get a 3 year deal of $12 Million right out the chute to play in the bigs? ZERO! And Thanks for the geography lesson. Maybe the right player to call out would have been Nishioki from JAPAN! He worked out real well didn't he. I'm pretty sure the intention was to refer to the international market in the area of Korea and Japan. Wonder why the guys in America that can't make it in MLB go over there to play? Because the competition isn't at the same level as here in the Majors. DUH! So why give any money away to a superstar from over there. He'll more than likely just be average here if he's really that good, or he'll just be another Park or Nishioki.

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 07:11 PM

Park is from Korea, and Otani is from Japan. They're separate countries who have historically hated one another. Do you apply this standard to American-born players? Plenty of them have busted much worse than Park.

When you say "American-born", are you referring to North America, South America, or Central America? I realize they are not 3 countries, but rather are made up of dozens of countries. I guess a better example would have been Nishi, who is also from Japan, and to my way of thinking, was one of the worst signing blunders by the Twins ever. But you know what, I'll give Nishi credit...he realized he was "out of his league" here in the USA and allowed the Twins to keep some of his contract money.
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Posted 16 November 2017 - 07:15 PM

Got it.I read this, "Marte is now a free agent and has been working out for clubs in Florida. With Marte’s contract off the books, the Twins have an extra $3 million available in their bonus pool to spend on other players. The deadline to use that money is June 15, 2018." and automatically thought that was banked money.I saw in another article now too that it's $3.245.
 
As for all the people turned off from signing different Asian born players, we see nothing more than random Youtube videos at most.Gotta trust the guys with THE greatest jobs on earth, the scouts.

I hope Nishi's scouts aren't the same ones who are so anxious to sign another player from Japan.
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Posted 16 November 2017 - 07:15 PM

As for Darvish, he's not an ACE. He's a #2 like Santana. And like Santana he gives up too many gopher balls. After watching him in the World Series I hope they stay away from him. His 2 WS games reminded me too much of Santana's playoff game against the Yankees. 


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Posted 16 November 2017 - 07:56 PM

 

what do you do with your Vikings expectations?

 

I keep them held high until the PK takes the field in the 4th quarter of a playoff game. 

 

Just like everybody else I assume.:)

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 08:06 PM

 

How many American born players get a 3 year deal of $12 Million right out the chute to play in the bigs? ZERO! And Thanks for the geography lesson. Maybe the right player to call out would have been Nishioki from JAPAN! He worked out real well didn't he. I'm pretty sure the intention was to refer to the international market in the area of Korea and Japan. Wonder why the guys in America that can't make it in MLB go over there to play? Because the competition isn't at the same level as here in the Majors. DUH! So why give any money away to a superstar from over there. He'll more than likely just be average here if he's really that good, or he'll just be another Park or Nishioki.

 

Otani is from the Iwate Prefecture

 

Nishioka is from the Osaka Prefecture

 

Not a good comparison

 

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 08:28 PM

Otani is from the Iwate Prefecture

Nishioka is from the Osaka Prefecture

Not a good comparison

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 09:02 PM

Darvish is still hitting mid 90's with his fastball that he will also cut and sink as he mixes in a variety of breaking pitches. He's a unique pitcher in terms of stuff. If he gets back to trusting his entire assortment like he did when he was younger... I'd take the gamble. 

 

Darvish didn't look like the same pitcher in the World Series. It was like he was avoiding his breaking stuff.

 

 

 

I'm less excited about Arrieta. I just have a thing against those cross body guys. I'd guess his velocity will be below 90 soon. 

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 09:43 PM

Turning the corner, what do people think the $3M is worth to a team trying to lure Ohtani?  Do we stand a substantially better chance of landing him with our bonus versus teams with $1M?  Is it crazy of me to wish that we sell our bonus pool money for a nice return, and then sign Darvish, and land Ohtani for the lesser money we have (his being long-term goals of winning and branding rather than immediate guarantees?And does anyone think no one is talking to him about the "second" contact?)?

 

So my wish tonight is that we sell the signing bonus money to a team for a top-10 team prospect because they think it matters; then we sign the 6-year $150M Darvish deal, and then snag Ohtani anyway. 

 

And sorry for Mr. Marte - but wanted to include all three subjects in this reply....


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Posted 16 November 2017 - 10:29 PM

How many American born players get a 3 year deal of $12 Million right out the chute to play in the bigs? ZERO! And Thanks for the geography lesson. Maybe the right player to call out would have been Nishioki from JAPAN! He worked out real well didn't he. I'm pretty sure the intention was to refer to the international market in the area of Korea and Japan. Wonder why the guys in America that can't make it in MLB go over there to play? Because the competition isn't at the same level as here in the Majors. DUH! So why give any money away to a superstar from over there. He'll more than likely just be average here if he's really that good, or he'll just be another Park or Nishioki.


Every year amateur American players get multi million dollar signing bonuses, many of whom never play in the majors. My point is that national origin has nothing to do with a player's success. Plenty of Japanese players have had fine MLB careers (Nomo, Ichiro, Matsui, a bunch of relief pitchers). Plenty have also busted. Are you skeptical when the Twins draft Caucasian players from the U.S. because Adam Johnson busted?

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 10:31 PM

When you say "American-born", are you referring to North America, South America, or Central America? I realize they are not 3 countries, but rather are made up of dozens of countries. I guess a better example would have been Nishi, who is also from Japan, and to my way of thinking, was one of the worst signing blunders by the Twins ever. But you know what, I'll give Nishi credit...he realized he was "out of his league" here in the USA and allowed the Twins to keep some of his contract money.


That's a good point on what American-born means.

Nishioka has literally nothing to do with Otani or Darvish.
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Posted 17 November 2017 - 12:44 AM

Im on board with Darvish or Otani or both.Pitching seems to make the jump better than hitting and Otani's bat is much less important to me than his arm. 

 

Darvish sucked in the world series but was really good the rest of the playoffs.The whole controversy with the slick world series balls seems like it could be a major factor there as he relies on his slider a lot.Spend the money to get a top of the line pitcher period. 


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Posted 17 November 2017 - 01:22 AM

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Yes please.

 

 

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Posted 17 November 2017 - 07:28 AM

Do not think both is an option, unless there is something I do not know.But the Twins need an ace, this is a good place to start.


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Posted 17 November 2017 - 08:50 AM

I'm not skeptical because of Park...I'm going further back than that to a guy that was the star in Japan.He was considered the best player in Japan after hitting .346 and leading the league in hits (206) and runs scored (121).He was fast.He was a switch hitter.He was the man in Japan!...and failed miserably for the Minnesota Twins.

 

Yes, he wasn't a pitcher.But DHing might not come so easily for Otani here as Nishioka's .346 equated to .226 over here.I'm skeptical, but might be willing to give it a try.

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Posted 17 November 2017 - 09:07 AM

I'm not skeptical because of Park...I'm going further back than that to a guy that was the star in Japan.He was considered the best player in Japan after hitting .346 and leading the league in hits (206) and runs scored (121).He was fast.He was a switch hitter.He was the man in Japan!...and failed miserably for the Minnesota Twins.
 
Yes, he wasn't a pitcher.But DHing might not come so easily for Otani here as Nishioka's .346 equated to .226 over here.I'm skeptical, but might be willing to give it a try.


I think we’re better off taking a chance on him and if he doesn’t work out at least we didn’t have to sign him in 2 years to some big deal to end up being a bust. Although if he waited there’s no way we’d get him for the crazy deal he’d be asking for.
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