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#1 DaveW

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 01:39 PM

The Twins "window" is NOW, and by trading for Stanton you are getting his 3 prime years before he inevitably opts out of his contract.
Just think of what a lineup of:

Buxton
Dozier
Stanton
Sano

Could do?

The package:
Kepler
Gordon
Kirillkoff
Romero

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 01:43 PM

 

The Twins "window" is NOW, and by trading for Stanton you are getting his 3 prime years before he inevitably opts out of his contract.
Just think of what a lineup of:

Buxton
Dozier
Stanton
Sano

Could do?

The package:
Kepler
Gordon
Kirillkoff
Romero

 

He has a full no trade clause and he is not coming here no matter what we offer the Marlins.This is Verlander all over again with even less chance the player would waive their no trade clause to come here.

Edited by Major Leauge Ready, 13 November 2017 - 01:44 PM.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 02:24 PM

 

He has a full no trade clause and he is not coming here no matter what we offer the Marlins.This is Verlander all over again with even less chance the player would waive their no trade clause to come here.

 

Why wouldn't he want to come here?The Twins have a very good young core of players with solid/role players at the top of their minor leagues close to making it to the MLB.They have room to spend money this offseason and are positioned to be a very competitive team for the next 5 to 6 years.

 

I don't think this is the same situation as Verlander at all.If the Twins were trying to trade for Verlander and he killed the deal, it would have been because going to the Astros gave him the very best chance to win the World Series.They were way ahead of all other AL competition this year and it really wasn't close. I don't think he would have killed the deal because he didn't want to play here, it would have been because he had a better option late in the season that he already knew was a great team.


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Posted 13 November 2017 - 02:27 PM

I don't think our window is now for one thing. We don't have the pitching to make a deep run as it stands right now
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 03:03 PM

It's fun to think about that lineup. 


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Posted 13 November 2017 - 03:07 PM

 

The Twins "window" is NOW, and by trading for Stanton you are getting his 3 prime years before he inevitably opts out of his contract.
Just think of what a lineup of:

Buxton
Dozier
Stanton
Sano

Could do?

The package:
Kepler
Gordon
Kirillkoff
Romero

I would hope the Twins would do that without thinking. The only for sure in that trade is Kepler. I don't think the Marlins would do that deal, but I would offer it to them to see how close it is.


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Posted 13 November 2017 - 03:24 PM

 

I would hope the Twins would do that without thinking. The only for sure in that trade is Kepler. I don't think the Marlins would do that deal, but I would offer it to them to see how close it is.

Yeah you may have to add in more.

It depends on how they view Kepler of course.

Gordon is a top 25 prospect, though they would prob have to add in Gonsalves as well, which would suck, but would be worth it IMO.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 03:29 PM

The Twins "window" is NOW, and by trading for Stanton you are getting his 3 prime years before he inevitably opts out of his contract.
Just think of what a lineup of:

Buxton
Dozier
Stanton
Sano

Could do?

The package:
Kepler
Gordon
Kirillkoff
Romero

I doubt they'll go after Stanton, and I don't think they should. For the sake of the hypothetical, I don't think they'd have to give up that much if they ate most of or all his contract.

Stanton

For:

Gordon
Jay
Salary Relief

???

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 03:46 PM

 

He has a full no trade clause and he is not coming here no matter what we offer the Marlins.This is Verlander all over again with even less chance the player would waive their no trade clause to come here.

Why do you think he would not want to come to sunny Minnesota?  


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Posted 13 November 2017 - 03:47 PM

I doubt they'll go after Stanton, and I don't think they should. For the sake of the hypothetical, I don't think they'd have to give up that much if they ate most of or all his contract.

Stanton

For:

Gordon
Jay
Salary Relief

???


Stanton was worth $60 million last year, and is right in his prime. Whoever trades for him is taking the whole contract, and I doubt there would even be a consideration of any discount because of it.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 04:40 PM

Yeah, Stanton's contract is a steal to be honest.

That is why he will opt opt out in 3 years.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 04:52 PM

Just sign JD Martinez you don't need to give up anybody and he'd be cheaper.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 05:29 PM

 

Just sign JD Martinez you don't need to give up anybody and he'd be cheaper.

Would he be cheaper though? As mentioned, Stanton will opt out in 3 years...like 9% chance of so.

Asking price for JD will be 8 years, 200 million. Not sure I like that as much.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 05:47 PM

 

The Twins "window" is NOW, and by trading for Stanton you are getting his 3 prime years before he inevitably opts out of his contract.
Just think of what a lineup of:

Buxton
Dozier
Stanton
Sano

Could do?

The package:
Kepler
Gordon
Kirillkoff
Romero

 

Need to add Tonkin to balance that trade.

Rats!

 

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 05:49 PM

 

Why do you think he would not want to come to sunny Minnesota?  

 

Because I heard an interview with Ken Rosenthal.He said there were four teams he thought Stanton would approve for a trade.(Dodgers | Yankees | Red Sox and I think the 4th one is Chicago.Obviously, he is speculating but he is a little more connected than the rest of us.


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Posted 13 November 2017 - 05:53 PM

 

Why wouldn't he want to come here? 

 

(I assume "here" is MN and not SF)

 

Lemme see:He is from the St Fernando Valley.He lives and works in Miami.Why would anyone in their right mind abandon all that and go to Minnesota to be shown as a dog and/or pony in the Winter Caravan in every little Podunk, ND, SD, and MN, for a month with ridiculous weather?  

 

Same $ for him.Were me, I'd rather be sipping mojitos in South Beach in January.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 05:54 PM

 

 

Stanton was worth $60 million last year, and is right in his prime. Whoever trades for him is taking the whole contract, and I doubt there would even be a consideration of any discount because of it.

 

How are you calculating his worth at $60M?


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Posted 13 November 2017 - 06:08 PM

Stanton was worth $60 million last year, and is right in his prime. Whoever trades for him is taking the whole contract, and I doubt there would even be a consideration of any discount because of it.


I don't think any team will approach negotiations ready to offer the same package with or without taking on that contract. He was worth a lot in 2017, and though he's been good for most of his career so far, he has had a couple seasons dramatically affected by injuries. He's definitely not a lock to put up 7 WAR again. A high quality ball player for sure, but there will be a discount for a team who takes on salary. That's just kind of how it works.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 06:23 PM

I don't think any team will approach negotiations ready to offer the same package with or without taking on that contract. He was worth a lot in 2017, and though he's been good for most of his career so far, he has had a couple seasons dramatically affected by injuries. He's definitely not a lock to put up 7 WAR again. A high quality ball player for sure, but there will be a discount for a team who takes on salary. That's just kind of how it works.


No, that's how it works with past their prime types who are overpaid. The contract is a non issue. What do you think he'd fetch if he were a FA this year? There is your answer.
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 06:24 PM

How are you calculating his worth at $60M?


I believe fangraphs uses $8 million per WAR when they calculate how much a player is worth. That is the standard I used.