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Article: Supplementing the Twins: A Bat for Hire

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#41 Oldgoat_MN

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:14 AM

 

You have some interesting standards... Vargas posted a .758 OPS in his age 26 season, making him slightly better than league average with the bat. Santana was an all around better player and will likely sign a very large multi-year deal. That's not a C- guy.

 

I'll simply note that we are talking bench bats here and a part time DH. Santana will want to be a starter, so again, I don't see how Santana makes any sense to this club. I'd be fine with Vargas and/or Park sitting around as a bench bat (though I really want Mauer taking some reps at 3B and RF this spring).

 

They aren't bad options, with the only real issue being defensive flexibility. With Granite in AAA, Adrianza, and Escobar, I think we are covered if we need defense and want some offense on the bench, so long as we make sure the pen has some better options allowing Molitor to have 5 bench bats.

Some excellent points, except for the Mauer thing.

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 03:05 PM

It could work if you rotated Mauer and Santana at 1B and DH. Santana certainly is better than Grossman. Mauer could probably use more DH time as he gets older.

 

Problem would be if Sano isn't ready to play in the field, move him back to RF? (joke).

 

The Indians are kind of up against salary limits I've read so they may not have the money to re-sign him

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 06:16 PM

If Sano was going to play 150 games at 3B then I would definitely like to get Carlos Santana. I have no confidence about Sano playing every day at 3B though so I don't think the Twins can add a full time DH unless that player can also play elsewhere (not 1B). 

 

Todd Frazier is a player that makes sense in some role of rotating at DH and 3B. The goal isn't to replace Escobar since his versatility makes him useful everywhere. Frazier is a much better defender at 3B and adds a very good RH'd bat to the lineup and he can play a defensive position (very well) unlike Vargas (limited to 1B) or Grossman (poor in the OF).

 

I am all for signing Frazier as long as the signing doesn't significantly impact any pitching moves.

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#44 Mr. Brooks

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 06:22 PM

Escobar had 6 errors in 79 games at 3B, Frazier had 13 in 133 games, very comparable. Maybe Escobar's range isn't quite as good but Frazier isn't getting any younger so his range will continue to deteriorate.


Errors to games tells me next to nothing about quality of defense. There is so much more to defense than just errors. In fact, the player with more errors is often the better defender, because he makes an error on a ball that the other guy wouldn't have even gotten to.
Frazier was 1.5 defensive WAR better than Escobar last year, that is a pretty big difference.
Who knows what happens down the road, but right now their defense isn't comparable to each other.
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Posted 11 November 2017 - 07:09 PM

Todd Frazier had 10 DRS (4th in MLB for 3B) and was 3rd in UZR. 

 

Escobar had -5 DRS and a negative UZR.He was as bad as Sano in pretty much the same amount of innings. 

 

The only thing Escobar had on Sano was range.26 3Bs had 650 or more innings played.Escobar ranked 20th in RZR, Sano was 25th.

Edited by jimmer, 11 November 2017 - 07:12 PM.


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Posted 13 November 2017 - 02:04 PM

I think you meant to write that Frazier had a .366 OBP, not OPS.

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 03:58 PM

 

Carlos Santana plays the same position as Joe Mauer and this team needs 1/3 of the payroll paid to what are currently middle of the pack 1B.

In an average payroll Mauer's salary would only be a sixth of the total. If we had an average payroll we could be competitive.Until we do, we won't be. The problem is not Mauer, it's the missing pitchers.

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 07:52 PM

In an average payroll Mauer's salary would only be a sixth of the total. If we had an average payroll we could be competitive. Until we do, we won't be. The problem is not Mauer, it's the missing pitchers.

Not only that, but 23 X 3= 69. Mauer's salary was more like 1/4 of the Twins payroll.

And yeah, Mauer wasn't worth 23M this year, but he was worth around 18M and I'm sure every IF and pitcher was happy to have his defense at 1B.

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