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#21 MN_ExPat

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 08:07 AM

Ok, going to get on my moral high horse here, sorry folks...

 

Only in Minnesota land could we ***** about our own players winning a high profile award. Why in the Good Lord's name are some of us "upset" about this? I just don't get it. Is it because some of us want him gone in exchange for newer shinier prospects?

 

I get it, we all have our own favorite players and vision of what we want the organization and FO to do. But this is who we have right now. He's a good person, a decent to even very good player. Why can't folks be happy for him?

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 08:11 AM

Can I simultaneously be thrilled for Dozier and believe that he didn't have any business winning it?


Yes.
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Posted 08 November 2017 - 08:26 AM

I'm convinced I don't care at all about the Gold Glove. But I would've been very upset if Buxton hadn't won it. So I guess I care. But starting next year I will no longer care. 

 

Unless Buxton doesn't win it. 

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 08:41 AM

I like the way the STrib stated it, that viewed with metrics, Dozier is only average, but he must have made an impression on the field in opposing dugouts.

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 08:42 AM

I am reminded of a tale from some hallmark hairball book if memory serves about the author being disappointed in watching a storied pool shark play. He ran the table, but every shot was an easy shot. Anyone coulda done that! Perhaps there is a similar element in play here?

Anyway, someday i might get a high horse, i just have never been good at horse trading...
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Posted 08 November 2017 - 08:44 AM

Congratulations to Byron Buxton and Brian Dozier!!

 

Now get out there an vote for Buxton to get that Platinum Glove!He definitely deserves it.  

 

I know the hot stove is cookin' and we're playing fantasy GM, but these awards give a little extension to what was a very fun Twins season.

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 09:14 AM

Buxton not winning would have been a travesty. He was spectacular this year. If he stays healthy, he will definitely win a bunch of these. Even if he doesn't deserve it in some future year, there seems to be an incumbency factor to the award that's just as pervasive as the gold batting glove factor.

 

And good for Dozier. Despite defensive metrics, yada yada yada, I don't see Kinsler and Pedroia as being noticeably better than him. His playing a lot of games very consistently with the glove was valuable to his team.

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 09:31 AM

 

Ok, going to get on my moral high horse here, sorry folks...

 

Only in Minnesota land could we ***** about our own players winning a high profile award. Why in the Good Lord's name are some of us "upset" about this? I just don't get it. Is it because some of us want him gone in exchange for newer shinier prospects?

 

I get it, we all have our own favorite players and vision of what we want the organization and FO to do. But this is who we have right now. He's a good person, a decent to even very good player. Why can't folks be happy for him?

1. Because Dozier didn't deserve this particular award. That's not a knock on Brian, as he had an excellent season.

 

2. A guy who at least deserved consideration, Mauer, didn't even make the finalist cut.

 

I'm glad for Brian but I wish this award was based more on defensive merit and not reputation and/or offense.

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 09:40 AM

Ok, going to get on my moral high horse here, sorry folks...

Only in Minnesota land could we ***** about our own players winning a high profile award. Why in the Good Lord's name are some of us "upset" about this? I just don't get it. Is it because some of us want him gone in exchange for newer shinier prospects?

I get it, we all have our own favorite players and vision of what we want the organization and FO to do. But this is who we have right now. He's a good person, a decent to even very good player. Why can't folks be happy for him?

No need to apologize for getting on a moral high horse. Your post doesnt put you on a moral high horse at all.

People have a right to discuss whether or not players are deserving on an award. NO ONE SEEMS TO BE UPSET Dozier won (and there of tons of congratulations). Some are just wondering if he was the best choice, and I dont know wondering that means that peole want him gone for new shiny propsects.

Some fans are putting their fandom aside and asking if he was deserving in the same way some people are wondering why Hosmer even warrants a top 3 spot much less winning the thing.

Its a baseball discussion about the merits of an award.

Edited by jimmer, 08 November 2017 - 10:13 AM.

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 09:43 AM

 

Buxton not winning would have been a travesty. He was spectacular this year. If he stays healthy, he will definitely win a bunch of these. Even if he doesn't deserve it in some future year, there seems to be an incumbency factor to the award that's just as pervasive as the gold batting glove factor.

 

And good for Dozier. Despite defensive metrics, yada yada yada, I don't see Kinsler and Pedroia as being noticeably better than him. His playing a lot of games very consistently with the glove was valuable to his team.

Definitely an incumbency factor which really diminishes the award for me. Hrbek never winning one always comes to mind. Gordon in the past has played so well in left field that I can hardly believehe shouldn't be on the 60 year team but 2017 he must have been perfect in games I didn't watch because he was far from it in games I did watch. 

Gibson has had some really good defensive seasons at pitcher but he could be the best ever and not get close to the award if his ERA is north of 4.00. 

Dozier?meh, he has had some better years based on my eyeball test but as has been pointed out there are probably worse winners every single year.

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 09:45 AM

BTW, for the award, they do take SDI into account for 25% of the vote. I dont know much about that stat.

Dozier did finish 2nd for AL 2B in that, whereas Hosmer finished 12 out of the 13 AL 1Bs listed.

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 09:53 AM

Overall for American League SDI Twins rankings.

Castro: 4th out of 17
Mauer: 3rd out of 13
Dozier: 2nd out of 13
Sano: 11th out of 13
Polanco: 8th out of 13
Rosario: 7th out of 14
Buxton: 1st out of 11
Kepler: 5th out of 12.
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Posted 08 November 2017 - 10:13 AM

What do you call a player who is awarded a Gold Glove award, even though his advanced metrics aren't the best at the position? THE GOLD GLOVE WINNER! Hardy congratulations to Buck and Bull Dozer. I am extremely happy for both of them.
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Posted 08 November 2017 - 10:16 AM

Overall for American League SDI Twins rankings.

Castro: 4th out of 17
Mauer: 3rd out of 13
Dozier: 2nd out of 13
Sano: 11th out of 13
Polanco: 8th out of 13
Rosario: 7th out of 14
Buxton: 1st out of 11
Kepler: 5th out of 12.

Impressive. Six out of eight guys in the top half of the rankings.
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Posted 08 November 2017 - 10:18 AM

 

Ok, going to get on my moral high horse here, sorry folks...

 

Only in Minnesota land could we ***** about our own players winning a high profile award. Why in the Good Lord's name are some of us "upset" about this? I just don't get it. Is it because some of us want him gone in exchange for newer shinier prospects?

 

I get it, we all have our own favorite players and vision of what we want the organization and FO to do. But this is who we have right now. He's a good person, a decent to even very good player. Why can't folks be happy for him?

 

I don't know if it's necessarily a Minnesota thing.I think Mauer gettting snubbed at even being a finalist is the root cause for some lesser enthusiasm on Dozier's win. 

 

Fear of coming across as a hypocrite for saying, "WTF, Hosmer?" followed by "Yeah, Dozier!" is definitely a driver.

 

If Mauer had even been a finalist, I very much doubt Dozier's defense would have been picked on the way it has in both the finalist thread and this thread.

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 10:18 AM

Overall for American League SDI Twins rankings.

Castro: 4th out of 17
Mauer: 3rd out of 13
Dozier: 2nd out of 13
Sano: 11th out of 13
Polanco: 8th out of 13
Rosario: 7th out of 14
Buxton: 1st out of 11
Kepler: 5th out of 1

That is an average of 5.125. Not bad. The left side needs improvement.

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 10:23 AM

Can someone share a link to the SDI stats?


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Posted 08 November 2017 - 10:24 AM

 

That is an average of 5.125. Not bad. The left side needs improvement.

There is no reason to believe Sano and Polanco won't improve in their 2nd full season at the position.

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Just a reminder to the fair weather fans. The weather is fair, and will be for quite some time.


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Posted 08 November 2017 - 10:24 AM

Expanding on Don Walcott’s comments above. According to espn, all qualified second basemen were grouped between +1 and -1 wins IIRC. There weren’t any great or horrible defenders. Dozier won, good for him. Because of Altuve, he may never win a Silver Bat and in another era, he might already have won multiple Silver Sluggers.

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 10:27 AM

http://sabr.org/sdi/2017-final
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