Jump to content

Providing independent coverage of the Minnesota Twins.
Subscribe to Twins Daily Email
Photo

Article: Molitor's Manager Of The Year Chances

paul molitor aj hinch terry francona
  • This topic is locked This topic is locked
30 replies to this topic

#1 Cody Christie

Cody Christie

    Twins Contributor

  • Twins Writers
  • 1,233 posts

Posted 07 November 2017 - 08:20 AM

On Monday, Paul Molitor was announced as one of three finalists for the American League Manager of the Year. In the midst of a big turnaround in Minnesota, Molitor led the Twins to the playoffs for the first time since 2010. Entering the season, there were questions about whether or not the new front office regime would keep Molitor around. He made it tough to show him the door.

How does Molitor stack up against the other finalists? Could he bring home the hardware?Terry Francona, Cleveland Indians
AL Central Champions (102-60 Record)

Resume: The defending AL Champs had high hopes for 2017. Many considered them the favorites to repeat at the top of the league. Francona had to navigate his team through a potential World Series “hangover.” A slow start at the beginning of the year was quickly forgotten as the Indians compiled a record 22-game winning streak. Cleveland won the AL Central by 17 games.

AJ Hinch, Houston Astros
AL West Champions (101-61 Record)

Resume: Everyone knows what the Astros were able to do in the postseason but only the regular season figures into MLB’s award season. Houston has had high expectations the last couple of seasons, but Hinch was able to push all the right buttons as his club crossed the 100-win mark. He was able to use the right mix of young talent and veteran players to be a dominant regular season squad that went on to quite the postseason run. Houston won the AL West by 21 games.

Paul Molitor, Minnesota Twins
AL Wild Card (85-77 Record)

Resume: While the Indians and the Astros were expected to be strong clubs, no one expected Minnesota to make the playoffs. On the heels of the worst season in franchise history, Molitor was able to bring playoff baseball back to Minnesota (even if it was only for one game). Young players like Miguel Sano and Byron Buxton were able to take huge strides under Molitor’s guidance. Sometimes the voters can give the Manager of the Year to the team that improved the most and Minnesota definitely fits into this category.

Who do you think will take home the award? Leave a COMMENT and join the discussion.

Click here to view the article

#2 biscuit

biscuit

    Junior Member

  • Members
  • 48 posts

Posted 07 November 2017 - 09:10 AM

Hinch.


#3 jimmer

jimmer

    A former AF SNCO who values integrity.

  • Members
  • 9,106 posts

Posted 07 November 2017 - 10:19 AM

I agree with Jeff Sullivan (who picked Molitor before the finalists were annoounced) in that I think Molitor will win.

Go Paul!

Edited by jimmer, 07 November 2017 - 10:21 AM.

  • Jerr and tarheeltwinsfan like this

#4 Jerr

Jerr

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 2,403 posts

Posted 07 November 2017 - 10:44 AM

 

I agree with Jeff Sullivan (who picked Molitor before the finalists were annoounced) in that I think Molitor will win.

Go Paul!

I think that would be a SHOCKER, but baseball needs that, and I would love it!!!!!!!

And always remember, life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by those moments that take our breath away. 

 

George Carlin


#5 Dman

Dman

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 981 posts

Posted 07 November 2017 - 11:05 AM

 

I agree with Jeff Sullivan (who picked Molitor before the finalists were annoounced) in that I think Molitor will win.

Go Paul!

 

I agree with you.I am not sure what criteria is used and I like all of them but I tend to feel the manager that took his team from worst record in the league to the playoffs as having done more than the other two who had good teams to begin with.  

  • tarheeltwinsfan likes this

#6 Thrylos

Thrylos

    They Finally fired ’em. Play Ball!

  • Members
  • 8,787 posts
  • LocationLehigh Valley, PA, USA
  • Twitter: thrylos98

Posted 07 November 2017 - 12:30 PM

I think that if the Twins had a different manager in 2016 whose mess Molitor cleaned, he could have won. He cleaned his own mess and just gained 2 games from 2015.This is not manager of the year territory.

  • ChiTownTwinsFan, h2oface and wsnydes like this
-----
Blogging Twins since 2007 at The Tenth Inning Stretch
http://tenthinningst...h.blogspot.com/
twitter: @thrylos98

#7 dbminn

dbminn

    Ft Myers

  • Members
  • 401 posts
  • LocationSaint Paul, MN

Posted 07 November 2017 - 01:59 PM

I have a hunch it'll be Hinch.

  • h2oface, Reider and tarheeltwinsfan like this

#8 Riverbrian

Riverbrian

    Goofy Moderator

  • Twins Mods
  • 17,335 posts
  • LocationGrand Forks, ND

Posted 07 November 2017 - 02:00 PM

Based on the results expectation formula that exists somewhere to make these determinations. 

 

It should be Paul. 

 

However... My personal choice is AJ Hinch because I like how he did it. He had a full roster of players to mix in and utilize. That is both an advantage and a skill that some managers don't possess. 

 

So I'm going with AJ but think it should be Paul. 

 

 

A Skeleton walks into a bar and says... "Give me a beer... And a mop".

 

President of the "Baseball Player Positional Flexibility" Club 

Founded 4-23-16 

 

Strike Zone Automation Advocate


#9 tarheeltwinsfan

tarheeltwinsfan

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 415 posts

Posted 07 November 2017 - 02:55 PM

 

I have a hunch it'll be Hinch.

Funny.


#10 tarheeltwinsfan

tarheeltwinsfan

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 415 posts

Posted 07 November 2017 - 03:02 PM

Advanced sabermetrics show Molitor to be 11 WAG-E (Wins Above Gardenhire minus Ejections), whereas any one of us here at TD could have managed either of those two powerhouse rosters at Cleveland or Houston and won the pennant...thereby giving both Hinch and Francona 0 WAR-E.

  • 70charger, big dog, jimmer and 1 other like this

#11 SwainZag

SwainZag

    Member

  • Members
  • 1,802 posts
  • LocationMontana

Posted 07 November 2017 - 03:24 PM

 

I think that if the Twins had a different manager in 2016 whose mess Molitor cleaned, he could have won. He cleaned his own mess and just gained 2 games from 2015.This is not manager of the year territory.

 

This isn't GM of the year, it's manager of the year.

  • DocBauer, tarheeltwinsfan, jimmer and 1 other like this

#12 mazeville

mazeville

    Chattanooga Lookouts

  • Members
  • 601 posts

Posted 07 November 2017 - 04:14 PM

I think Molitor should win. I worry that he won't, and that it'll be Francona. But given Molitor's pitching staff -- he had to use 36 pitchers! -- and the team's improvement in the second half, he should win.

 

Much easier to win games when you have a pitching staff like the one Cleveland uses. And a lineup like Houston's. 

  • DocBauer likes this

#13 jimmer

jimmer

    A former AF SNCO who values integrity.

  • Members
  • 9,106 posts

Posted 07 November 2017 - 04:58 PM

 

Based on the results expectation formula that exists somewhere to make these determinations. 

 

It should be Paul. 

 

However... My personal choice is AJ Hinch because I like how he did it. He had a full roster of players to mix in and utilize. That is both an advantage and a skill that some managers don't possess. 

 

So I'm going with AJ but think it should be Paul. 

Yeah, AJ Hinch definitely had a full roster of quality players, but that's a result of the GM's work.


#14 jimmer

jimmer

    A former AF SNCO who values integrity.

  • Members
  • 9,106 posts

Posted 07 November 2017 - 04:58 PM

 

I think Molitor should win. I worry that he won't, and that it'll be Francona. But given Molitor's pitching staff -- he had to use 36 pitchers! -- and the team's improvement in the second half, he should win.

 

Much easier to win games when you have a pitching staff like the one Cleveland uses. And a lineup like Houston's. 

Or a pitching staff like Houston's.


#15 h2oface

h2oface

    Lifelong since '61

  • Members
  • 2,686 posts
  • LocationTralfamadore

Posted 07 November 2017 - 06:15 PM

AJ Hinch gets my vote. Francona gets my 2nd place vote. I am in the 2 game improvement from 2015 to 2017 park. Molitor is like the relief pitcher that totally blows the save in the top of the 9th, gives up 4 runs and the two run lead, and then the team bails him out in the bottom of the inning, scores 3, and he gets the win. This team never should have had so much to come back from.

 

Maybe I know and saw and remember too many things about how Molitor manages. The total mismanagement of what pen we had, the bunts, the blown double switch in LA that we all sat in the stands for 20 some minutes of WTF..... It isn't just won/loss record. A man that is still struggling so much with learning how to manage is not the manager of the year in my book.


#16 old nurse

old nurse

    Member

  • Members
  • 3,108 posts

Posted 07 November 2017 - 06:38 PM

Molitor wonor placed high in awards as a player.A fine, storied organization like the BBWAA may have a lot of members still there from Molitor's playing days.Some here may be too young to remember, or too old to,but I seem to remember Molitor being very accessible to the press. Not that the fine people inside the velvet rope would have anything but high journalistic standards when voting.

 


#17 Deduno Abides

Deduno Abides

    Rochester Plates

  • Members
  • 1,567 posts

Posted 07 November 2017 - 07:14 PM

Molitor seems like just an OK manager and the award is kind of silly, but it seems that achieving a positive result that had never before been accomplished, like taking a 100 loss team to the playoffs, should result in recognition for the manager. I would rather have Francona or Hinch as the manager, but still feel that Molitor should get recognized for his 2017 accomplishments.

P.S. many people, yes, many people, criticize Molitor’s bullpen management, but Hinch, Dave Roberts and Joe Maddon were also heavily criticized for their bullpen usage in the playoffs and World Series, even though they had much better pitchers than Molitor, so it’s hard to hold that against him.

Edited by Deduno Abides, 07 November 2017 - 07:46 PM.


#18 spinowner

spinowner

    Minnesota Twins

  • Members
  • 3,989 posts

Posted 07 November 2017 - 07:41 PM

 

 Joe Madison

Auto correct strikes again!

eiπ + 1 = 0


#19 Deduno Abides

Deduno Abides

    Rochester Plates

  • Members
  • 1,567 posts

Posted 07 November 2017 - 07:46 PM

Auto correct strikes again!


I think the official legal name is #@(#!*#”% auto correct.
  • spinowner likes this

#20 Riverbrian

Riverbrian

    Goofy Moderator

  • Twins Mods
  • 17,335 posts
  • LocationGrand Forks, ND

Posted 07 November 2017 - 08:29 PM

 

Yeah, AJ Hinch definitely had a full roster of quality players, but that's a result of the GM's work.

 

It's all about the splinters for me. 

 

He got all of them on the field without anybody getting splinters in their hind end from bench time. 

 

 

  • jimmer likes this

A Skeleton walks into a bar and says... "Give me a beer... And a mop".

 

President of the "Baseball Player Positional Flexibility" Club 

Founded 4-23-16 

 

Strike Zone Automation Advocate




Also tagged with one or more of these keywords: paul molitor, aj hinch, terry francona