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#101 Carole Keller

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Posted 07 November 2018 - 02:21 PM

I can't see how Portland works either.....just not enough big companies here to buy boxes. Not close.
 
Some people in the suburbs are too afraid of the city to even drive in it, let alone go there as a destination.....
 
Montreal makes the most sense, imo. Add Vancouver, and suddenly you get a national Canada tv deal?
 
The article, imo, really points out the issue, and that's splitting the money up, and why I wouldn't vote yes if I was a current owner....


I like the idea of adding two Canadian cities. Wonder what the Blue Jays would think of that?

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Posted 07 November 2018 - 02:25 PM

Agreed.Can't believe they aren't considering Nashville and Charlotte, two of the fastest growing cities in America.


I think the Carolinas are pretty entrenched as Braves territory. There are also a LOT of minor league teams in and around that area, including the Charlotte Knights, the AAA team for the White Sox.

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Posted 07 November 2018 - 02:38 PM

Don't know why you'd do away with the leagues. Doesn't solve anything...other than the DH question, and the DH discrepancy hasn't proven to be a huge issue over time. IMO, you should not only retain the two leagues, but do away with the inter-league play. In 2020, we don't need Mike Trout to play in our home ballpark in order to 'see' him play.

 

I do like the idea of reducing the schedule when you add the two teams. Also, IMO, with the improved access to global talent, MLB could withstand expansion without a huge drop-off in quality of play. Whatever quality of play issues currently existing are the result of how the game is approached/played...not a thin global talent pool.


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Posted 07 November 2018 - 02:49 PM

 

I can't see how Portland works either.....just not enough big companies here to buy boxes. Not close.

 

It was twice proven that it cannot support a AAA team, as the Twins' AAA affiliate moved to SLC from there in 1993 and the Padres' affiliate to Tuscon in 2010.

That said, the biggest issue was local support for a stadium.This seem to have changed a lot and the community seems eager to make a big investment. On the other hand, if I had to bet, I'd bet relocation vs expansion.Portland A's or Rays might make much sense, with the team not going to Portland going to Canada.

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Posted 07 November 2018 - 04:01 PM

I'm not sure the "community" is behind this......there are certainly people here that are.

 

And, 1993 is ancient history for this town. It couldn't be more different. Heck, 2010 is. Portland is one of the fastest growing cities around, and had the 2nd most cranes in use in the US earlier this year....so, nothing is "proven", imo.

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Posted 07 November 2018 - 04:26 PM

The landscape is changing across the US. Austin has doubled in size in the last 10 years. Same with Charlotte...

I do agree with thrylos' other point that they need to figure out relocation first over expansion. The 2 Florida teams have no fan base and no player willing to sign there. Oakland has been playing in a dump for far too long.

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Posted 08 November 2018 - 10:20 AM

"There won't be a baseball stadium at the Portland Schools headquarters site after all. The Portland Diamond Project has pulled its offer after learning that another community coalition has a plan for an affordable housing project there, and they didn't want to get in the way."

 

from a short news blurb this am....

I remain hopeful on Buxton and Sano.....but I'd not bet the franchise on them.


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Posted 08 November 2018 - 10:47 AM

 

"There won't be a baseball stadium at the Portland Schools headquarters site after all. The Portland Diamond Project has pulled its offer after learning that another community coalition has a plan for an affordable housing project there, and they didn't want to get in the way."

 

from a short news blurb this am....

 

I mean, choosing an affordable housing project over a publicly funded baseball stadium? Yeah, Portland isn't ready for the soulless endeavor of being a MLB/NFL market. Aren't they aware that affordable housing is supposed to be razed to build a fancy new ballpark?

 

Kudos Portland.

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Posted 08 November 2018 - 10:56 AM

 

I think the Carolinas are pretty entrenched as Braves territory. There are also a LOT of minor league teams in and around that area, including the Charlotte Knights, the AAA team for the White Sox.

 

I disagree. I've lived in the Charlotte Metropolitan Area for over five years and this is not Braves Territory by any stretch of the imagination, even less so in Raleigh which is a couple hours north and east of here.

 

In fact they don't even show Braves games here on Cable TV. Most Charlotte-tans are in fact transplants from NY City, New Jersey and the rest of New England so it's a very Yankee-esq City and could care less about Brave's baseball.

 

The City has grown leaps and bounds over the last 30 years due to the influx of financial firms and banks from the Big Apple. If estimates are correct in 20 years we'll be as big as Atlanta is now. We are one of the fastest growing cities in the country outside of Texas and the city is itching for professional baseball. 

 

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#110 Mike Sixel

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Posted 08 November 2018 - 01:53 PM

 

I mean, choosing an affordable housing project over a publicly funded baseball stadium? Yeah, Portland isn't ready for the soulless endeavor of being a MLB/NFL market. Aren't they aware that affordable housing is supposed to be razed to build a fancy new ballpark?

 

Kudos Portland.

 

Let's hope we stay this way somehow.....

I remain hopeful on Buxton and Sano.....but I'd not bet the franchise on them.


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Posted 08 November 2018 - 01:56 PM

 

I disagree. I've lived in the Charlotte Metropolitan Area for over five years and this is not Braves Territory by any stretch of the imagination, even less so in Raleigh which is a couple hours north and east of here.

 

In fact they don't even show Braves games here on Cable TV. Most Charlotte-tans are in fact transplants from NY City, New Jersey and the rest of New England so it's a very Yankee-esq City and could care less about Brave's baseball.

 

The City has grown leaps and bounds over the last 30 years due to the influx of financial firms and banks from the Big Apple. If estimates are correct in 20 years we'll be as big as Atlanta is now. We are one of the fastest growing cities in the country outside of Texas and the city is itching for professional baseball. 

 

Indeed.Not to mention that it is becoming a fairly large AA international hub.

 

Isn't that where Pohlad wanted to move the Twins in the late 90s?

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Posted 08 November 2018 - 06:54 PM

 

Indeed.Not to mention that it is becoming a fairly large AA international hub.

 

Isn't that where Pohlad wanted to move the Twins in the late 90s?

Pohlad didn't want to move the Twins anywhere. Winston-Salem/Greensboro/High Point was the location where he tried to fake people into thinking he was moving to but that was just a ruse to try to spur stadium construction.


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Posted 09 November 2018 - 06:12 PM

Note the BA article quoted is from a year ago.

 

I think commingling the AL/NL would be pretty strange. I would also worry that the proposed regional division alignments would hurt revenue for some small teams.


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Posted 09 November 2018 - 06:13 PM

 

Pohlad didn't want to move the Twins anywhere. Winston-Salem/Greensboro/High Point was the location where he tried to fake people into thinking he was moving to but that was just a ruse to try to spur stadium construction.

 

It was serious enough to where building a new stadium in NC was put on the ballot.

 

Even if you doubt the team would move, contraction was a real possibility. It was stupid, yes, but it was possible.

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 12:57 PM

Also would add that Rob Manfred has specifically mentioned several cities for expansion back in July.

 

“that I think are not only interested in having baseball, but are viable in terms of baseball”

 

“Portland, Las Vegas, Charlotte, Nashville in the United States, certainly Montreal, maybe Vancouver, in Canada. We think there’s places in Mexico we could go over the long haul.”

 

 

 

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 01:31 PM

What about 16 2 team divisions? Only division winners get to the playoffs, so playoff revenues increase with 16 teams in the playoffs.
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Posted 13 November 2018 - 01:34 PM

 

What about 16 2 team divisions? Only division winners get to the playoffs, so playoff revenues increase with 16 teams in the playoffs.

 

I know this was meant to be funny, but I'd 100% back a plan where all 30 teams made a new type of post season......

I remain hopeful on Buxton and Sano.....but I'd not bet the franchise on them.


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Posted 13 November 2018 - 01:45 PM

I know this was meant to be funny, but I'd 100% back a plan where all 30 teams made a new type of post season......

And instead of 7-game series, make each series a month long, starting in May; five series should crown a champion. Because the regular season would have about as much meaning as Spring Training, under this plan.

 

Part of what I like about baseball is that you need one kind of team for the rigors of the long season, and then another kind of team for the intensity of short series. This proposal would homogenize things down more than I'd want. You would gear up your roster for the short series style, and not worry about whether it let you do well in the regular season. You might muddle along with a lot of bullpen games, for example.

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 01:55 PM

And playing outdoor baseball in Minnesota during April, you need players comfortable in: stocking caps, thermal underwear, snow boots, winter parkas or snowmobile suits and the pair of gloves are to keep frostbite from the fingers, in addition to the one glove to catch the ball. (Native, Winter Hating Minnesotan)

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 02:23 PM

 

And instead of 7-game series, make each series a month long, starting in May; five series should crown a champion. Because the regular season would have about as much meaning as Spring Training, under this plan.

 

Part of what I like about baseball is that you need one kind of team for the rigors of the long season, and then another kind of team for the intensity of short series. This proposal would homogenize things down more than I'd want. You would gear up your roster for the short series style, and not worry about whether it let you do well in the regular season. You might muddle along with a lot of bullpen games, for example.

 

Of course, you have no idea what my plan is, but you've already judged it!

I remain hopeful on Buxton and Sano.....but I'd not bet the franchise on them.