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Article: It's Official: Twins/Molitor Agree To Three-Year Deal

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#41 Doomtints

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Posted 10 October 2017 - 01:44 PM

I'm not a Molitor fan but keeping him was the logical decision if you put yourself in the boss's shoes.

 

However, 3 years seems long to me. 


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Posted 10 October 2017 - 03:44 PM

This probably doesn't happen if the Twins finish with 75 wins and miss the playoffs. Despite all the bunts, Molitor got results. This isn't like Gardy where it appears he has too much say over the roster, which is good. I just hope that Pickler can help him more with in-game decisions over the next couple years. I think the players liking him is a good thing, but I just want to see him consistently making the best moves to put the team in the best place to win.


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Posted 10 October 2017 - 04:14 PM

If the new regime is realistic, they know that outside of catching lightning in a bottle, they still have a 2-3 year process ahead of them. They were forced into extending Molly now, but can continue to rebuild the lower levels of the system as needed, and get through two more years and then just fire him in year three and get who they want. 

 

 

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Posted 10 October 2017 - 04:18 PM

It seems that many forget that the last time this club rebuilt themselves into a successful organization they brought in Andy McPhail as a young outsider, who brought in Tom Kelly as a young outsider.

 

The notion of them "taking care of their own", the "Twins Way", and all of those other "traditions" really just began in the late 90's, well after TK and McPhail made a lot of good decisions and rebuilt the culture into what worked at the time. TK pissed a lot of people off along the way.

 

The nostalgia for those days blinds people as to what it really represented, and the harsh realities that go into a true rebuild and culture change.

 

 


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Posted 10 October 2017 - 05:20 PM

It seems that many forget that the last time this club rebuilt themselves into a successful organization they brought in Andy McPhail as a young outsider, who brought in Tom Kelly as a young outsider.

The notion of them "taking care of their own", the "Twins Way", and all of those other "traditions" really just began in the late 90's, well after TK and McPhail made a lot of good decisions and rebuilt the culture into what worked at the time. TK pissed a lot of people off along the way.

The nostalgia for those days blinds people as to what it really represented, and the harsh realities that go into a true rebuild and culture change.


I don’t know how you would consider Tom Kelly an outsider. He has been employed exclusively by the Twins for over 45 years. By the time he became manager, he had 15 years in the organization.
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Posted 10 October 2017 - 05:58 PM

I'm glad they kept Molitor.  It seems silly to mess around with a cohesive team atmosphere with great chemistry.  Dozier came right out and said he supported Molitor 100% and also said he speaks for the entire team when he says that.

 

I love the new analytical approach to things in baseball but I sometimes think focusing on only that component blinds people in their approach to coaching, instructing, managing, etc. (I'm going to post a topic on this subject soon).  At this point I think a more qualitative approach to managing a young team is better than a quantitative approach.  

 

Molitor does provide a unique perspective after playing for 20 years.  He most likely has been apart of toxic clubhouses and cohesive clubhouses.  After all these years in baseball I would bet he's learned what not to do as well as what motivates a team (analytics aside).  As a Manager, either of baseball players, employees or soldiers it's his or her job to get the most out of their people and guide them in the direction you want them to go.  

 

I also don't think he earned the players respect this year but he earned it last year.  Close relationships and mutual respect are usually forged in difficult times not great times...

On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.


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Posted 10 October 2017 - 06:23 PM

I don’t know how you would consider Tom Kelly an outsider. He has been employed exclusively by the Twins for over 45 years. By the time he became manager, he had 15 years in the organization.


And MacPhail was already in the organization (albeit briefly) before he was promoted to GM. That whole analogy didn't make much sense.
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Posted 10 October 2017 - 06:54 PM

 

If the new regime is realistic, they know that outside of catching lightning in a bottle, they still have a 2-3 year process ahead of them. They were forced into extending Molly now, but can continue to rebuild the lower levels of the system as needed, and get through two more years and then just fire him in year three and get who they want. 

This post captures the essence of the situation. Falvey still has a lot of work ahead of him to build the Minnesota Twins. I say build instead of rebuild because he is really starting from scratch on the project of assembling an organization from top to bottom in his vision. He knows what he wants to do but he can't neglect what's in place in the meantime. I think he decided that Molitor will be satisfactory in handling the current major league team but as his vision becomes reality and he identifies someone who will better fit what he wants in a manager he'll thank Molitor for his service and make a change.

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Posted 10 October 2017 - 07:13 PM

Spitballing here, but what if Falvey likes Molitor, thinks he brings a lot to the table as a baseball manager, and is the best current option to implement his vision.
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Posted 10 October 2017 - 07:40 PM

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Posted 10 October 2017 - 07:59 PM

Spitballing here, but what if Falvey likes Molitor, thinks he brings a lot to the table as a baseball manager, and is the best current option to implement his vision.


Molitor is still 61 years old.

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Posted 10 October 2017 - 09:38 PM

I disagree and here's why. If you look at the season that just wrapped up, the Twins defense improved a lot and it's been documented that Molitor emphasized it early and often in spring training. When management traded away pitching before the deadline, Molitor united the clubhouse - "No retreat. No surrender". They played hard for him. It was the clubhouse, including Molitor, against management trying to prove them wrong and they did. If you replace Molitor with one of their guys, that guy would have already lost the clubhouse before they started. These guys have a bond with Molitor now. They will play for him.


What happened last year? He said give up? They didn't like him last year?

I don't know, it is a site to discuss sports, not airline safety.....maybe we should take it less seriously?


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Posted 10 October 2017 - 09:40 PM

I'm glad they kept Molitor. It seems silly to mess around with a cohesive team atmosphere with great chemistry. Dozier came right out and said he supported Molitor 100% and also said he speaks for the entire team when he says that.

I love the new analytical approach to things in baseball but I sometimes think focusing on only that component blinds people in their approach to coaching, instructing, managing, etc. (I'm going to post a topic on this subject soon). At this point I think a more qualitative approach to managing a young team is better than a quantitative approach.

Molitor does provide a unique perspective after playing for 20 years. He most likely has been apart of toxic clubhouses and cohesive clubhouses. After all these years in baseball I would bet he's learned what not to do as well as what motivates a team (analytics aside). As a Manager, either of baseball players, employees or soldiers it's his or her job to get the most out of their people and guide them in the direction you want them to go.

I also don't think he earned the players respect this year but he earned it last year. Close relationships and mutual respect are usually forged in difficult times not great times...


Who has ever said focus only on analytics and ignore relationships? Did every player say keep him last year? What changed?

I don't know, it is a site to discuss sports, not airline safety.....maybe we should take it less seriously?


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Posted 11 October 2017 - 05:13 AM

Molitor is still 61 years old.


Correct. But it's not like the front office wants to punt the next couple of years.
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Posted 11 October 2017 - 07:00 AM

Molitor is still 61 years old.


Why does his age matter?
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Posted 11 October 2017 - 07:06 AM

Molitor is still 61 years old.


Right, but we shouldn't hold his youth against him.
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Posted 11 October 2017 - 11:31 AM

I think this deal is fine. It's probably one year longer than Falvine would have preferred, but that's what happens when your manager is in the running for Manager of the Year: he gets a little leverage.

 

Molitor has shown willingness to work with an adapt to the new regime, handles the clubhouse and media well, has useful fanbase connections, is a student of the game (which makes it hard to believe he's going to suddenly start insisting that everyone just do it his way), and has generally been fine as an in-game manager. Coming off a successful season in which young players in the lineup took a step forward, I don't have any great concerns about him running the club next season.

 

The biggest problem on this team is pitching, and they just let Neil Allen go. So either Molly recognizes he needs a better pitching coach or the FO told him he's getting a different pitching coach, and that's ok with me. If it's the first, that's sound recognition. If it's the second it's evidence that guys aren't going to get to free ride because the manager likes them.

 

Regarding bullpen useage: let's see what happens if/when we get a little more stability there. or a little more talent. (same with the rotation)

 

Managerial contracts that are 3 years or less in duration tend to be pretty fungible. If this years turns out to be a total fluke year and next season goes to crap, they can move on without too much difficulty. If they take another step forward, they've got some continuity locked in.


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Posted 11 October 2017 - 11:48 AM

 

Molitor is still 61 years old.

 

Are you suggesting that age discrimination should factor into Falvey's hiring decisions?


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Posted 11 October 2017 - 12:01 PM

Are you suggesting that age discrimination should factor into Falvey's hiring decisions?


No. Simply that Molitor could decide to retire at pretty much any point.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 12:44 PM

 

What happened last year? He said give up? They didn't like him last year?

Good questions, but I'm not sure the team bought in last year...and then when things went off the rails soooo early and we were basically out of it in May.I think he has evolved as a manager and I an think the team has matured as well.I don't want to see them start over with a new guy when I think this team is on the verge of taking another step up.Buxton and Sano with an entire year of doing what they can do.Kepler has upside, Polanco has upside, and so does Berrios.

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