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Article: DET 3, MIN 2: Twins Lose In Romine Sideshow Game

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#1 Tom Froemming

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Posted 30 September 2017 - 09:00 PM

Andrew Romine played all nine positions for the Tigers, but the Twins still couldn’t beat them, not that it matters. What does matter is tonight marked the return of Miguel Sano to the lineup. It was also an emotional evening for Glen Perkins, who likely made his final appearance for the Twins.Snapshot (chart via Fangraphs)
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Any time a guy plays all nine positions it’s obviously a bit of a stunt. Detroit clearly has nothing to play for at this point, and tonight’s accomplishment by Romine is among the highlights of their season. This was all for fun, and it’s hard to hold anything against the Tigers, but I would assume the Twins weren’t thrilled with how he was used on the mound.

The only batter Romine pitched to was Sano. That was unfortunate timing.I don’t think the Twins needed to see what Sano could do against 85 mph batting practice. Sano hit a 113.6 mph single in his first at bat of the night, but followed that up with strikeouts in his next two plate appearances. Against Romine, he grounded out to third base.

Aaron Slegers went 4.1 innings and gave up three runs, but one of them was unearned and another was an inherited runner allowed in by Dillon Gee. Slegers gave up three hits and a walk. He also had three strikeouts.

Gee gave up a pair of hits over his 0.2 innings. One of those outs was courtesy of a great throw by Eddie Rosario to nap old friend Alex Presley at home. Michael Tonkin pitched 2.0 no-hit innings, John Curtiss followed with 1.2 no-hit innings of his own before Perkins came in to record the final out of the ninth.

Perkins will surely have his option declined for next season, leaving his future extremely uncertain. But you don’t have to tell that to Glen, it was clear he knew the gravity of tonight’s appearance. He asked for the ball back as he and his teammates left the field and got emotional in the dugout and during postgame interviews (see below).

Obviously the comeback didn’t go as well as Perkins would have hoped, but if this is the end for his playing career, it’s a pretty good way to go out. It would’ve been a shame if he’d never returned from that injury that costed him most of two seasons.

Joe Mauer drew three walks and Zack Granite reached base twice, drawing a walk and hitting an RBI single. Max Kepler drew a bases-loaded walk to score the Twins first run.

Postgame With Perkins

Bullpen Usage
Here’s a quick look at the number of pitches thrown by the bullpen over the past five days:
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Looking Ahead
Sun: Twins (Bartolo Colon) vs. Detroit (Anibal Sanchez), 2:10 pm CT
Mon: OFF
Tue: Twins (Ervin Santana) at Yankees (Luis Severino), 6:00 pm CT

Looking Back
MIN 6, DET 3: Dozier, Escobar Lead Offense To Victory
CLE 5, MIN 2: Ervin Caps Banner Year With 5 Shutout Innings
CLE 4, MIN 2: Twins Lose, Clinch Postseason Berth Anyway

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Posted 30 September 2017 - 09:39 PM

My thoughts...

 

Good to see Sano get four at bats. Good to see him get a hit and jog a bit on the bases. Good to see him take some pitches, some with velocity and some without. 

 

Loved seeing Romine get to play all nine positions. He's an appropriate guy for such a game. This year for Detroit, he's played 123 games now, and he'd played at least 9 games at each position, except catcher, and he'd even pitched once. While I would think that having him start and face one or two batters, I don't care when he was used. If the game had meant anything, they wouldn't have done it. It meant little... and even facing Sano, he got to see 4-5 pitches, and that's all that matters. I thought it was fun. He deserved it. That's it. 

 

Loved seeing Perk come in for that final out. Great to see the emotion. That should shut up anyone who thought he didn't work hard or didn't care to get back. When I talked to him about 18 months ago he reiterated his hope to finish out this contract and then be done. If he'd have pitched well enough to get the option picked up, he would have pitched next year, but he seemed content on this being his last contract. He said he admired Brad Radke doing that. Radke could have had some surgery and maybe pitched another 5 years, but time his his family and young kids was more important to him, and Perkins wanted to do the same. Having missed so much time, I wouldn't blame him for trying to go one more year... but if this was it, love the moment. 

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Posted 30 September 2017 - 09:41 PM

I'm afraid Sano will be a strikeout machine if he plays in the wild card game.


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Posted 30 September 2017 - 09:45 PM

Yeah, loved seeing Perkins getting that final out, one of my all time favorite twins. Selfishly I would love to see him on the roster next year, but sounds like he is at peace. Thanks for the memories Perk!!!!

Hopefully the Twins win it all and give him a ring!
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Posted 30 September 2017 - 10:32 PM

So where does this leave Slegers in the Twins scheme of things. If he'd pitched a dynamite game, going 5-6 innings, would he be the 4th starter?

 

Has he become roster fodder sadly at this point, a possible prospect, but still behind others in the wings who might deserve a 40-man spot, as well as the many many "others" who are no longer prospects but won't part ways with the Twins (perhaps Pressly, Boshers, Tonkin).

 

Yes, the Twins did make the Wild Card. Yes, the call-ups from September got less exposure than necessary, although they have experience of riding the bench and being in a playoff situation.

 

I hope some make it to spring training to show what they can do against somewhat major league pitching.

 

Can't wait to see the lineup for tomorrow's game.

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Posted 30 September 2017 - 11:06 PM

 

So where does this leave Slegers in the Twins scheme of things. If he'd pitched a dynamite game, going 5-6 innings, would he be the 4th starter?

 

Has he become roster fodder sadly at this point, a possible prospect, but still behind others in the wings who might deserve a 40-man spot, as well as the many many "others" who are no longer prospects but won't part ways with the Twins (perhaps Pressly, Boshers, Tonkin).

 

Yes, the Twins did make the Wild Card. Yes, the call-ups from September got less exposure than necessary, although they have experience of riding the bench and being in a playoff situation.

 

I hope some make it to spring training to show what they can do against somewhat major league pitching.

 

Can't wait to see the lineup for tomorrow's game.

 

Slegers was making a spot start. Regardless of how he did, it wasn't going to make a difference. He's behind several guys on the "prospect charts" still, but he's near the top of the board for opening day next season spots. He will (or could, pending transactions) go to spring training with an opportunity, probably ahead of some of the other prospects because of where he ended this season.


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Posted 30 September 2017 - 11:27 PM

Siegers is a guy you need in the org, I know we scoff at Scott Diamonds etc from time to time but as we see every year, you can't have enough pitchers.

Siegers more than likely will never be a mainstay in the Twins rotation, but should find himself contributing a few starts here and there over the next couple years I imagine.

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Posted 01 October 2017 - 06:14 AM

If that's why Perk goes out, to be with family instead of hangin around for a couple more poor years, good for him. And good for Radke. Neither will ever live long enough to spend all the money they made, but they will now get to enjoy their family. While the money is great, the lifestyle of a MLB player has to be that of a well paid long haul trucker! Good for Perk. As for the Tigers Romine pitching to Sano? I really doubt that Detroit, even if they had considered it, viewed their visit to Mpls as a chance to prepare the Monnesota Twins for the playoffs. :)
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Posted 01 October 2017 - 07:08 AM

I thought the Romine thing was a joke. Especially on the road.

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Posted 01 October 2017 - 07:34 AM

Playing 9 positions in a game is slightly fun but clearly forced at the same time. 

 

If you want to impress me... Be a player who can actually play and does play all 9 positions in any given game through out the year. 

 

 

 

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Posted 01 October 2017 - 07:48 AM

I don't mind the Romine thing at all. I remember as a kid seeing José Oquendo do it for the Cardinals and thinking it was kind of cool. It's a game. I certainly don't think it warranted the kind of constant complaining Beemer did throughout the game...while they covered it faithfully, complete with checkmark graphics.

I will dispute, though, that it didn't matter. Since they were playing the Romine bit, they had to try to win to avoid being criticized as a farce (for example if Romine had pitched an inning and given up the lead). It did matter, as the Tigers just fell out of a tie for the first draft pick; winning while the Giants lost. So thank you for this parting gift, Brad Ausmus!

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Posted 01 October 2017 - 08:25 AM

I have no problem with a player playing all nine positions. I think it's fun.

But if you're going to do that, wouldn't you do it for a home game? You'd probably get some extra fans to come see this unusual event if it were at home. People who wanted to say, "I saw that game!".

Don't understand it on the road.

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Posted 01 October 2017 - 08:57 AM

Playing 9 positions in a game is slightly fun but clearly forced at the same time.

If you want to impress me... Be a player who can actually play and does play all 9 positions in any given game through out the year.


Would think Giminez or Escobar could do it easily. Both have played most of the positions already. Gimenez might look pretty ugly at 2b or ss, but hopefully nothing would be hit to him in those spots. The only place Escobar hasn't played in his career is first base.

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Posted 01 October 2017 - 10:11 AM

Playing 9 positions in a game is slightly fun but clearly forced at the same time. 
 
If you want to impress me... Be a player who can actually play and does play all 9 positions in any given game through out the year.


I tend to agree here. I don't mind they did it, not that big a deal at the end of the season and all, in a game pretty much meaningless, but I'm sort of the "seen it before" before mindset. Meh.

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Posted 01 October 2017 - 01:47 PM

 

Would think Giminez or Escobar could do it easily. Both have played most of the positions already. Gimenez might look pretty ugly at 2b or ss, but hopefully nothing would be hit to him in those spots. The only place Escobar hasn't played in his career is first base.

 

Anyone can do it. Molitor just has to decide to do it and he really shouldn't. 

 

 

IMO... The Romine thing is a novelty act. I don't mind it... it's ok for a conversation... but it's really the manager saying... I'm going to do something goofy today.

 

It isn't an amazing accomplishment... and it's the manager who did it. 

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Posted 01 October 2017 - 02:24 PM

Now that Curtiss has settled down, he's looking like a guy you could start the season with in the bullpen next year. 


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Posted 01 October 2017 - 06:21 PM

Anyone can do it. Molitor just has to decide to do it and he really shouldn't.


IMO... The Romine thing is a novelty act. I don't mind it... it's ok for a conversation... but it's really the manager saying... I'm going to do something goofy today.

It isn't an amazing accomplishment... and it's the manager who did it.

I doubt Ausmus approached Romine with the idea. It's far more likely that Romine asked for a chance to do it. Obviously, the manager is making the decision, but there is usually no reason to say no for a team out of contention.

As for why not at home, short answer is because the Tigers weren't at home. Doing that last week, when the Twins were in Detroit, would have been frowned upon because the games still had meaning. I suppose he could have done it against the White Sox or Angels, but maybe he didn't have the idea until after that.

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Posted 01 October 2017 - 06:37 PM

 

I doubt Ausmus approached Romine with the idea. It's far more likely that Romine asked for a chance to do it. Obviously, the manager is making the decision, but there is usually no reason to say no for a team out of contention.

As for why not at home, short answer is because the Tigers weren't at home. Doing that last week, when the Twins were in Detroit, would have been frowned upon because the games still had meaning. I suppose he could have done it against the White Sox or Angels, but maybe he didn't have the idea until after that.

 

I don't have an issue with it. :)

 

It was executed with total respect to the integrity of the playoff chase. It happened when it happened. 

 

I believe it is possible that Romine approached Ausmus... I also believe it is possible that anybody could have made the suggestion and whoever it was doesn't matter to me. 

 

My only point: It is on the low end of the scale of accomplishments. It just takes a manager to say... OK... Let's do it and then you move him around the diamond until the task is complete. 

 

It got way too much press. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted 01 October 2017 - 07:38 PM

I doubt Ausmus approached Romine with the idea. It's far more likely that Romine asked for a chance to do it. Obviously, the manager is making the decision, but there is usually no reason to say no for a team out of contention.

As for why not at home, short answer is because the Tigers weren't at home. Doing that last week, when the Twins were in Detroit, would have been frowned upon because the games still had meaning. I suppose he could have done it against the White Sox or Angels, but maybe he didn't have the idea until after that.


I get that but then don't do it. If I was Mollie I wouldn't be happy at all that one of Sano's at bats came against a stunt. Who cares? Especially fans of the other team.

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 01:57 AM

Bremer's whining about Romine doing it was pretty pathetic.

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