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#1 Thrylos

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 07:15 PM

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#2 drjim

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 07:22 PM

Seems like a good idea to me.
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Posted 17 September 2017 - 07:31 PM

Sounds like a good idea to me, too
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Posted 17 September 2017 - 07:33 PM

With all due respect, I don't know how suggesting the Vikings signing Kaepernick is a "new low" and I agree with Souhan on this for the reasons he stated and many more he didn't.
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Posted 17 September 2017 - 08:29 PM

What is the new low here?

If anything, I finally have some respect for Souhan.

The blacklisting of Kaepernick has been a disgusting thing.
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Posted 17 September 2017 - 09:02 PM

Signing the most disliked player in the NFL, a guy that 70% of Americans dislike* is not a sound business decision.

*actual poll, CBS sports
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Posted 17 September 2017 - 10:08 PM

 

Signing the most disliked player in the NFL, a guy that 70% of Americans dislike* is not a sound business decision.

*actual poll, CBS sports

 

1.) 70% disagree with his stance, it doesn't mean they dislike him. I don't agree with my father on anything politically but I definitely like him. I don't agree with my wife on how often we should clean the bathroom, doesn't mean I dislike her. When quoting a poll, make sure you quote it accurately.

 

2.) In 1966, 63% of Americans disliked Martin Luther King according to Gallup. I don't have the numbers but I imagine well over 70% of American disagreed with Muhammad Ali when he refused to join the army. We changed our minds eventually. I'm not saying CK is MLK or Ali or that people will change their mind but that number is relatively meaningless - it's but one moment in time. 

 

3.) Do you really think Vikings fans would stop cheering for the team if they had Kaepernick? I know tons of people who disagree with his views but I don't think many would stop watching a winning Vikings team. And how many wouldn't come back once he was gone? I say this as a person who refused to watch the Favre Vikings because i hated him so much. I was alone in that. Favre pre-Vikings was more hated than Colin Kaepernick will ever be and people changed their minds pretty quickly. In sports, all you have to be is good.

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 10:12 PM

Agree 100% with Souhan on this. I also would love to see polls asking Vikings fans about having Kaepernick as backup - one taken Tuesday of last week and one taken tomorrow. I bet that watching Keenum suck today and seeing how the defense looks contender level might change . . . 25%? 30%?

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 10:21 PM

Why do any of you think Kaepernick would be any better?  His 49ers went from the very top to the very bottom--with him.  The entire team had major surgery in order to "rebuild".  His skill-set is that of a college offense--which has shown that shortly said QB will be broken into pieces.  Consider Kaepernick as Cam Newton light--not as big, strong or fast--then consider what happened to Carolina.

 

The problems the Vikes have won't be solved by Kaepernick--because the O-Line is the real problem.

 

As far as Souhan, the purpose of his article is to gain readers and nothing more.

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 11:02 PM

I don't get why everyone hates Keenum after 1 game. He went 4-5 last year on a Rams team with no line, no receivers, and a defense with Aaron Donald and not much else. He lost today against a defense with an elite pass rush and some pretty good defensive backs. He completed 60.9 % of his passes last year and has a career 6.7 yards per attempt. About as good as you can get as a backup. Kaepernick has put up similar numbers over the past 2 years and only looks more exciting because he's about .3 seconds faster on his 40 time. He also threw fewer interceptions, but that is likely a fluke because he's had high interception numbers at other points in his career and Keenum had 1 meltdown to skew his total. Overall, I prefer Keenum as a QB and don't want the media circus that comes with Kaepernick.

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 11:19 PM

1.) 70% disagree with his stance, it doesn't mean they dislike him. I don't agree with my father on anything politically but I definitely like him. I don't agree with my wife on how often we should clean the bathroom, doesn't mean I dislike her. When quoting a poll, make sure you quote it accurately.
 
2.) In 1966, 63% of Americans disliked Martin Luther King according to Gallup. I don't have the numbers but I imagine well over 70% of American disagreed with Muhammad Ali when he refused to join the army. We changed our minds eventually. I'm not saying CK is MLK or Ali or that people will change their mind but that number is relatively meaningless - it's but one moment in time. 
 
3.) Do you really think Vikings fans would stop cheering for the team if they had Kaepernick? I know tons of people who disagree with his views but I don't think many would stop watching a winning Vikings team. And how many wouldn't come back once he was gone? I say this as a person who refused to watch the Favre Vikings because i hated him so much. I was alone in that. Favre pre-Vikings was more hated than Colin Kaepernick will ever be and people changed their minds pretty quickly. In sports, all you have to be is good.


Well it's 72% not 70 since we're being accurate and all. False comparisons with MLK are irrelevant, as they are with Favre. I hated Favre because he was an effing packer not because of any attention seeking political crap, once he was not a packer we were good lol. Funny that you don't think people would stop cheering the team over a player they hate but then you tell an anecdote about you yourself did just that. No you probably weren't the only one.

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Posted 18 September 2017 - 02:51 AM

My understanding of how it works is that you  want your backup to have the same traits as your starter. Kaepernik  works best in a motion style offense. That is not Bradford. 

 

Kaepernik has made a ton of money and has not been foolish with it. He wants starter's money, not a back up's  paycheck.  He can likely make more money giving speeches that being a back up. He is able to continue to be in the  news by being a victim and hence attract attention and engagements. 

 

Souhan is not at a new low. He is just takeng advantage of yet another hot button talker that polarizes. There is attention from the extremes that leads to more attention. Attention is money. 

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Posted 18 September 2017 - 08:08 AM

Anyone that thinks Kaep is not one of the 60 best QBs on the planet probably isn't being honest with themselves in their assessment of him as a player only......

 

As for his stance, I always thought we were fighting FOR the right to free speech out there in the world. We should be celebrating him, whether we agree with him or not.

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Posted 18 September 2017 - 08:08 AM

Just to be clear: Kaepernick is using his speech on behalf of victims, not playing a victim himself.
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Posted 18 September 2017 - 08:15 AM

 

My understanding of how it works is that you  want your backup to have the same traits as your starter. Kaepernik  works best in a motion style offense. That is not Bradford. 

 

Kaepernik has made a ton of money and has not been foolish with it. He wants starter's money, not a back up's  paycheck.  He can likely make more money giving speeches that being a back up. He is able to continue to be in the  news by being a victim and hence attract attention and engagements. 

 

Souhan is not at a new low. He is just takeng advantage of yet another hot button talker that polarizes. There is attention from the extremes that leads to more attention. Attention is money. 

 

Do we know what Kapernick's contract terms are? I would think he would accept backup money since it's better than nothing. And backup money is better money than 99% of the jobs he would get outside of football. 


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Posted 18 September 2017 - 08:18 AM

In the offseason I was for this move. Unfortunately, I don't think a QB singing in-season ever pays off. It takes too long to acclimate to a new system. (Though there are exceptions...see Bradford last year.)

 

Most of the time, though, I think you end up with Freeman and not Bradford.

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Posted 18 September 2017 - 08:19 AM

 

In the offseason I was for this move. Unfortunately, I don't think a QB singing in-season ever pays off. It takes too long to acclimate to a new system. (Though there are exceptions...see Bradford last year.)

 

Most of the time, though, I think you end up with Freeman and not Bradford.

 

This argument has merit for sure.

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Posted 18 September 2017 - 12:41 PM

Well it's 72% not 70 since we're being accurate and all. False comparisons with MLK are irrelevant, as they are with Favre. I hated Favre because he was an effing packer not because of any attention seeking political crap, once he was not a packer we were good lol. Funny that you don't think people would stop cheering the team over a player they hate but then you tell an anecdote about you yourself did just that. No you probably weren't the only one.

I'm going to try to not be combative here but c'mon. Address any point I made? You quoted 70% and I assumed we were okay with rounding since we were okay misrepresenting the very question the poll asked. if that's the best you have just let it drop.

No one said he was MLK, stop misrepresenting what I said. My point was that when people have time to calm down, they sometimes change their mind. Like they did with MLK. And Ali. My experience talking with people who don't like CK is that they don't really know what CK is saying - they're projecting their own beliefs about those who oppose them onto CK. You don't strike me as different in that regard. He doesn't hate America, he doesn't want the troops to die - he's just using his first amendment right to free speech. We should all be proud of that, even if we disagree. Jon Kitna led prayer circles after every game. I'm not a big fan of organized religion but I'm glad that he has the right to gather and worship as he chooses.

Likewise, I think Favre is a perfect comparison. Favre was actually hated, not disagreed with. I have never known an opposing player that MN sports fans have ever hated more. Then he became a Viking and people raced out to buy his jersey and crow at their Packer fan friends with every win. People dropped that hate in a second because sports has a "my guy" aspect that is hard to resist. If a player makes your team better you like him. We all originally liked AJ if you need another example. And as to your last point, I never met a single person who didn't think that my stance was stupid and never met anyone else who was done with the Vikings for the Favre era. That's anecdotal but I think it's telling.

Do you have an actual response? NItpicking and misrepresenting don't count.

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Posted 18 September 2017 - 12:45 PM

In the offseason I was for this move. Unfortunately, I don't think a QB singing in-season ever pays off. It takes too long to acclimate to a new system. (Though there are exceptions...see Bradford last year.)
 
Most of the time, though, I think you end up with Freeman and not Bradford.


Can't be worse than Keenum. Hopefully Sam can soldier through til Week 6 or so. Then we may have a credible backup in Teddy. I'd still like to see them bring in CK though. Keenum is just not an NFL QB.

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Posted 18 September 2017 - 12:47 PM

Do we know what Kapernick's contract terms are? I would think he would accept backup money since it's better than nothing. And backup money is better money than 99% of the jobs he would get outside of football.


I don't think it's ever been about money for him. It's about having an opportunity to play. The Vikings job should be appealing to him - he's better than Keenum, Bradford is a lame duck with serious injury issues on the same knee in the past, Teddy is a complete unknown. If CK came in and took a few weeks to learn the system and then beat the Packers (again), MN would love him.
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