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#1 gunnarthor

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Posted 15 September 2017 - 07:04 PM

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Bummer. He sounds pretty pissed about it. Best of luck to him in the future.

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Posted 15 September 2017 - 07:14 PM

With his history with the team you'd think he'd at least merit a call from the GM.  His teams always performed well and the players seemed to have some passion for playing for him from what I've heard.  Too bad.

 

Just the other night when they were talking about Tom Kelly taking over in 1986 on the broadcast it was brought up that the players were really excited, as a group they had come up playing for him and winning with him in the minors.  Made me wonder if maybe there was some similarity between that and the current group of Twins players if Mientkiewicz got a shot with them in the majors.  

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Posted 15 September 2017 - 07:14 PM

That should have been handled better. Disappointing.
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Posted 15 September 2017 - 07:27 PM

Mientkiewicz is a stridently old-school guy that isn't necessarily a great fit for the way the front office wants to build the organization. He knows it, too, which is why I think his comments were at least a bit disingenuous. He's ticked off and telling his side of the story. He's the kind of guy that is going to be pissed at being fired and there's really no approach that would have avoided that outcome.

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Posted 15 September 2017 - 07:29 PM

Handled poorly is an understatement here, Doug can obvious do the job as manager better than most. So is this change for the sake of change? Falvey and Levine seem less and less like wiz kids everyday and more like a couple arrogant chumps.
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Posted 15 September 2017 - 07:31 PM

Not so sure about that. There is no secret this org had a development issue. I'm not sure where the problem was, but just because you're getting wins doesn't mean you're developing players. If Dougie is as old school as commented here, it's probably a good thing.

 

Good luck to him. Wish him no ill will.

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Posted 15 September 2017 - 07:35 PM

Not impressed with Falvey and Levine at all. This is ridiculous and shows their true character.
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Posted 15 September 2017 - 07:36 PM

A. First of the many for sure to come in the Twins' field management at all levels, as well as the front office

B. I was surprised as well, he was popular and won.There might be something

C. He was not "owed" anything. And he was not "Fired".His contact was over, they chose not to renew it, and they gave him the courtesy to let him know way ahead of time. Happens every day in many jobs.No explanation was needed or owed, other that they decided to go another direction.The advanced warning was a courtesy that should please him.It is like letting free agent Bartolo Colon that they will not renew his contract.

D. The next 2 months will be fun, Twins' fans ;)

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Posted 15 September 2017 - 07:41 PM

You can disagree with it, but if this means what I hope it means (Molitor won't be winning his job back no matter how far the Twins go)I think were in for a great future.It's time for modern in game strategy trumping playing history as the criteria that matters most.Fans don't have to like a move for it to be the right move.

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Posted 15 September 2017 - 07:48 PM

This should not come as a complete surprise. Falvey and Levine are cleaning house of people that don't fit what they want, which they are entitled to. It absolutely could have been handled better, but Mientkiewicz would have been bitter regardless of how it was handled. Mientkiewicz has had some run-ins with umpires in the past and I have to wonder if that had something to do with this decision.
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Posted 15 September 2017 - 07:48 PM

A. First of the many for sure to come in the Twins' field management at all levels, as well as the front office
B. I was surprised as well, he was popular and won. There might be something
C. He was not "owed" anything. And he was not "Fired". His contact was over, they chose not to renew it, and they gave him the courtesy to let him know way ahead of time. Happens every day in many jobs. No explanation was needed or owed, other that they decided to go another direction. The advanced warning was a courtesy that should please him. It is like letting free agent Bartolo Colon that they will not renew his contract.
D. The next 2 months will be fun, Twins' fans ;)


Having an underling fire someone via phone (esp someone as loyal as Doug) is pure cowardice, this org is a joke. Classless.
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Posted 15 September 2017 - 07:49 PM

This should not come as a complete surprise. Falvey and Levine are cleaning house of people that don't fit what they want, which they are entitled to. It absolutely could have been handled better, but Mientkiewicz would have been bitter regardless of how it was handled. Mientkiewicz has had some run-ins with umpires in the past and I have to wonder if that had something to do with this decision.

why is a manager sticking up for his players a bad thing?
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Posted 15 September 2017 - 07:51 PM

 

Having an underling fire someone via phone (esp someone as loyal as Doug) is pure cowardice, this org is a joke. Classless.

 

MLB GMs do not make phone calls to minor league coaches who aren't having their contracts renewed. That's just not how things work. Just because someone is famous from his past career as a player doesn't mean he should get special treatment.

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Posted 15 September 2017 - 07:56 PM

MLB GMs do not make phone calls to minor league coaches who aren't having their contracts renewed. That's just not how things work. Just because someone is famous from his past career as a player doesn't mean he should get special treatment.


Dude he was fired. Call it not renewing a contract all you want. It's a classless way to go about it.
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Posted 15 September 2017 - 07:58 PM

 

Having an underling fire someone via phone (esp someone as loyal as Doug) is pure cowardice, this org is a joke. Classless.

 

He was not fired.His contract expired and will not be renewed.

Underling?

The person who called him was the minor league director.His boss.

Usually when people get notified that their contract will not be renewed, the notification is done by their boss.Not the CEO or the COO.

 

 

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Posted 15 September 2017 - 08:01 PM

 

Having an underling fire someone via phone (esp someone as loyal as Doug) is pure cowardice, this org is a joke. Classless.

 

I'd guess he was told long before what was happening, and this was simply the notification that all the paper work had been completed.Doug isn't all that credible of a source on matters like this.

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Posted 15 September 2017 - 08:03 PM

 

Dude he was fired. Call it not renewing a contract all you want. It's a classless way to go about it.

 

So when a player leaves for free agency after his contract is up, he is being "fired"?

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Posted 15 September 2017 - 08:08 PM

I'd guess he was told long before what was happening, and this was simply the notification that all the paper work had been completed. Doug isn't all that credible of a source on matters like this.

And random conjecture is a more credible source?

I will go with Doug on this one (have met him several times over the years,he's a straight shooter)

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Posted 15 September 2017 - 08:08 PM

So when a player leaves for free agency after his contract is up, he is being "fired"?


Not even close to the same thing.

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Posted 15 September 2017 - 08:11 PM

A. First of the many for sure to come in the Twins' field management at all levels, as well as the front office
B. I was surprised as well, he was popular and won.There might be something
C. He was not "owed" anything. And he was not "Fired".His contact was over, they chose not to renew it, and they gave him the courtesy to let him know way ahead of time. Happens every day in many jobs.No explanation was needed or owed, other that they decided to go another direction.The advanced warning was a courtesy that should please him.It is like letting free agent Bartolo Colon that they will not renew his contract.
D. The next 2 months will be fun, Twins' fans ;)


This season has been and is fun, in spite of how the new dynamic duo went soft in July.