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#41 Taildragger8791

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Posted 30 August 2017 - 12:02 PM

 

A bad slide that works because the SS drops the ball is still a double. A double is not contingent on the quality of the slide or how well you hit the ball - it is defined by making it safely into 2B. That happened. Whatever happens after that should be immaterial, no matter if it happens two tenths of a seconds, two seconds or two minutes later.

 

Here's how I see it:

 

In both cases it isn't egregious enough to be an error but the player still failed to complete a close play because of pressure from the opponent, thus the credit goes to the opponent. In one case, the fielders couldn't complete the catch & tag because they rushed knowing the runner was closing in fast, thus the runner gets credit for the double. In the other case, the runner makes a mistake sliding in too aggressively/wildly to beat the tag but he likely only beat the tag because he made a slide that he couldn't complete, thus he doesn't get credit. He was never truly safe because he was never in control. The situation where a guy rounds a bag is different because he passed the bag under control and uncontested.


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Posted 30 August 2017 - 12:07 PM

 

A bad slide that works because the SS drops the ball is still a double. A double is not contingent on the quality of the slide or how well you hit the ball - it is defined by making it safely into 2B. That happened. Whatever happens after that should be immaterial, no matter if it happens two tenths of a seconds, two seconds or two minutes later.

 

 

http://twinsdaily.co...for-stew/page-3

 

Ashbury has taken the time to look up the applicable instructions to official scorers.  Believe it or not, this is covered.

 

And it's a single.

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#43 Mike Sixel

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Posted 30 August 2017 - 12:15 PM

 

Um.. they are in first place now and not bringing in a rookie to replace a 4.00 starter compared to a 3.16 ERA guy with a 6 year track record at the time being shut down is a bit of a stretch.  I may have had angst and wanted him called up but the only part I remember is the May start bothering me a bit.

 

So, 1 time in how many years?

 

Do we think shutting him down that many years ago, or not, matters now?

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Posted 30 August 2017 - 12:34 PM

 

Apparently, Polanco is the tertiary adjunct of unimatrix 01 in the White Sox side.

 

I don't know what that meant... but... Yeah. I'll go with that. 

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Posted 30 August 2017 - 01:00 PM

That's the full name of Seven of Nine's borg character from Star Trek Voyager.

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Posted 30 August 2017 - 01:04 PM

 

Perhaps it was lost amidst the angst over so many other things.

There is always angst and posters always want whatever minor leaguer that is doing well at the moment to get the promotion to save the day.  I am not immune to it. You make a good point because there is always angst over so many things. This was true in the WS days though no forum to express it like now. It was true in 2010 and before. I wanted Berrios up but I had never seen him just like I wanted Garza up back in 06. The difference was that Garza gave us a boost with a 5.76 ERA because Silva was having a bad year, and Liriano was gone for the season and it was a risk well worth taking, just like I think it is this year.  Who would you have replaced in favor of Berrios.  What games without the hindsight of seeing whether we won or lost. Or as a reliever?  Of course I wanted him up but I certainly don't think he makes up 3 games and is probably more likely to have cost us games. There is almost always a learning curve and if you replace a bad Ricky Nolasco with him there is little risk but if you replace a good Tommy Milone with him you are not helping but hindering your odds.

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Posted 30 August 2017 - 01:13 PM

 

So, 1 time in how many years?

 

Do we think shutting him down that many years ago, or not, matters now?

We have no way of knowing.  This will be the 4th time they have made the playoffs in the last 7 years so I am not sure what season you are talking about or if Strasburg would have made the difference but we are off my point anyway.  I don't think comparing Strasburg being shut down to Berrios not being called up was a valid comparison even if some national talking head did compare them. So using that arguemnt to further the view that Berrios was mishandled is a non starter for me.

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#48 Mike Sixel

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Posted 30 August 2017 - 01:27 PM

 

We have no way of knowing.  This will be the 4th time they have made the playoffs in the last 7 years so I am not sure what season you are talking about or if Strasburg would have made the difference but we are off my point anyway.  I don't think comparing Strasburg being shut down to Berrios not being called up was a valid comparison even if some national talking head did compare them. So using that arguemnt to further the view that Berrios was mishandled is a non starter for me.

 

fair.

 

to answer your other question, I would have used him in relief, like some other teams do with some of their pitchers, that year. 

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Posted 30 August 2017 - 02:01 PM

 

fair.

 

to answer your other question, I would have used him in relief, like some other teams do with some of their pitchers, that year. 

I am quite positive I would have endorsed that call up whether for spot starts or relief just like I would have loved to see Gonsalves before now. What sticks in my head that year was putting May to the pen when he had just had a few very good starts and then putting him in for a spot start later in the season which had a ripple effect for the next week or so. Much like when Kintzler blew that save earlier in this year. I thought Buxton should have been aggressive on a ball that fell in front of him and not making that catch caused the game to go extra innings which used up a lot of pitchers that could have been rested the next day when they blew a big lead and seemed to contribute to a couple more losses that week.  Some things just stick in your head as turning points.  I don't remember thinking at the end of that year that if only they had used Berrios they could have made the playoffs.  I might have thought that. I just don't remember having thought that.

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