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#21 wavedog

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 11:56 AM

 

Talking specifically about your 5th point, I can relate. The 2009 NFC Championship game was the final straw in my HARDCORE fandom for a team. Embarrassing story.... Myself and college roommates at the time were throwing beer cans, water bottles, anything of note in anger because of what we were seeing on the field. After the loss, we were all so devastated that we cancelled plans for the rest of the night. Woke up the next day still livid about the result... After that, a moment of clarity hit that it was just entertainment, and I've never let a result of a game affect me that way ever again.  

Same here, the Saints Championship game was a turning point for me as well.  After that post-game depression, I came to the realization that the Vikings will never win a Super Bowl in my lifetime and I am OK with that.  Having lived through 4 Super Bowl losses, the 1998 Championship game etc..that was enough.  When Blair Walsh shanked the FG against Seattle in the playoffs - I was like yep that is what we expect.  Getting back to the OP - I do find myself less interested in watching football lately.  Hard to put a reason for it but some combination that I have hit 50 years old, the games/teams start looking the same to me (maybe related to getting older or it seems like everyone runs a similar passing-based offense), I don't have the DirecTV package so you get stuck watching the same teams on Sunday afternoons, I live in Dallas/Ft Worth so I get the Cowboys shoved down my throat. I have actually enjoyed College football more lately.  I stopped playing FF a couple of years ago after playing for 20 years and I do not miss it one bit.  

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 12:20 PM

 

Same here, the Saints Championship game was a turning point for me as well.  After that post-game depression, I came to the realization that the Vikings will never win a Super Bowl in my lifetime and I am OK with that.  Having lived through 4 Super Bowl losses, the 1998 Championship game etc..that was enough.  When Blair Walsh shanked the FG against Seattle in the playoffs - I was like yep that is what we expect.  Getting back to the OP - I do find myself less interested in watching football lately.  Hard to put a reason for it but some combination that I have hit 50 years old, the games/teams start looking the same to me (maybe related to getting older or it seems like everyone runs a similar passing-based offense), I don't have the DirecTV package so you get stuck watching the same teams on Sunday afternoons, I live in Dallas/Ft Worth so I get the Cowboys shoved down my throat. I have actually enjoyed College football more lately.  I stopped playing FF a couple of years ago after playing for 20 years and I do not miss it one bit.  

 

I was watching the playoff game vs. Seattle with another Viking fan I met in Austin. We both had a good laugh after that missed kick, and didn't think twice about it afterwards. Also, you and me both with the endless Cowboys coverage. Can't listen to a sports radio station down here in Texas as they take sports way too seriously. 

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 12:26 PM

 

I was watching the playoff game vs. Seattle with another Viking fan I met in Austin. We both had a good laugh after that missed kick, and didn't think twice about it afterwards. Also, you and me both with the endless Cowboys coverage. Can't listen to a sports radio station down here in Texas as they take sports way too seriously. 

I was actually at that game with my dad and brother.  I went because I knew that my dad really wanted to go to a cold outdoor football game and he would love nothing more than to do it with his two boys.  It was actually pretty fun until the last play.

 

As Walsh was lining up the kick, a guy a couple of rows behind us said to someone next to him, "If we can't make this kick then we don't deserve to be in the playoffs anyway."

 

At that instant, I pretty much knew it was going to be missed.

 

There were days were I would have been smashing things after something like that.  This time I just sat down silently and waited for the crowds to clear out and then headed to the car.  We got back to my house and I went on with my day.

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 12:26 PM

The NFL stands as a proud symbol of everything that's f-d up in the U.S. Right up there with the NCAA, the WWE, and the NRA.

 

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 12:28 PM

 

couldn't disagree more. Nothing more American than political protests. Now, rooting for rapists, abusers, druggies, etc? People seem to have no issues there....

That's another reason I can't keep watching.  I can't support those types of people - the abusers, rapists, etc.  I haven't watched an NBA game since Jordan retired from the Bulls for the last time.  

 

Hockey players, for all of their mullets and missing teeth, are generally some pretty upstanding guys.  I've been watching more hockey.

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#26 Mike Sixel

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 12:38 PM

 

That's another reason I can't keep watching.  I can't support those types of people - the abusers, rapists, etc.  I haven't watched an NBA game since Jordan retired from the Bulls for the last time.  

 

Hockey players, for all of their mullets and missing teeth, are generally some pretty upstanding guys.  I've been watching more hockey.

 

I could no longer root for AP, which made it hard to be a Viking fan....

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 12:39 PM

As a physician who has been on the sidelines for probably 12-15 games per year across the HS, college and professional levels for the past 10 years or so, I probably have a slightly different outlook on this than most. I agree with many posters that my enthusiasm for watching football on television has waned over the past few seasons, but that is difficult for me to tell if it is because I watch so much football already, or if my overall interest has decreased.

 I enjoy being around the game and appreciate how hard these athletes work. I am constantly amazed at what people their size can do. I enjoy being able to help them when my services are needed. But I cringe every time a big collision happens. I dread that brief instant after a big hit when you aren't sure if the player is going to get up or not. I say a quick prayer before every game that no player will lose their life that night (which is crazy, right?). And when the clock hits 0:00, and no one has been hurt, I feel a huge sense of relief. 

 Inevitably, every fall when the stories about players dying from heat illness or traumatic injuries (and there are always a few, every year), I wonder if THIS is the year things really start to change. But damned if I know how to change things to make them safer. These are large, strong human beings running into each other at top speed. I don't know how you make that 'safe', by any definition. 

 I'm torn on this issue. I do think eventually, football as we know it will be no longer. How long? No idea, that's for people much smarter than me to figure out. But I can tell you: I have a young son. I hope like heck he picks up golf. 

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 12:41 PM

The day my youngest quit playing football was one of the happier days of my life...

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 12:42 PM

 

I could no longer root for AP, which made it hard to be a Viking fan....

Exactly.  I dislike all of the showmanship, the dancing and celebrations that occur after basically every play but guys like AP and the like just disgust me.  I realize that there are good guys in the league, but the bad ones stand out.  When a league decides that a deflated football warrants a harsher punishment than assault, then I have no interest in supporting such an organization.

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 12:43 PM

 

That's another reason I can't keep watching.  I can't support those types of people - the abusers, rapists, etc.  I haven't watched an NBA game since Jordan retired from the Bulls for the last time.  

 

Hockey players, for all of their mullets and missing teeth, are generally some pretty upstanding guys.  I've been watching more hockey.

 

Before someone interprets that to be a racial thing, even basketball doesn't have nearly as many problems despite largely drawing from the same talent sources. Baseball sources its talent from all over the world, often at much younger ages in 3rd world countries, and doesn't have these pervasive problems either. There's something in the culture of football that allows these behaviors to persist and fester.

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 12:49 PM

I used to love the Vikings/NFL way more than I ever did even the Twins until about 10-15 years ago.Don't get me wrong, I still watch the Vikings most Sundays, but it's not must see for me anymore.The new information on CTE's doesn't help.But what did it most for me was the 2009 NFC championship game.It helps, for myself anyway, that a Twins game is far more affordable to attend than a Vikings game.Plus going to a ballpark is more fun to me than a football stadium.

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 12:56 PM

 

That's another reason I can't keep watching.  I can't support those types of people - the abusers, rapists, etc.  I haven't watched an NBA game since Jordan retired from the Bulls for the last time.  

 

Hockey players, for all of their mullets and missing teeth, are generally some pretty upstanding guys.  I've been watching more hockey.

 

 

Before someone interprets that to be a racial thing, even basketball doesn't have nearly as many problems despite largely drawing from the same talent sources. Baseball sources its talent from all over the world, often at much younger ages in 3rd world countries, and doesn't have these pervasive problems either. There's something in the culture of football that allows these behaviors to persist and fester.

Good point.  By no means are my comments intended to be a statement on race.  An abuser is an abuser, a rapist a rapist, etc.  Race has nothing to do with that.

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 01:02 PM

As a physician who has been on the sidelines for probably 12-15 games per year across the HS, college and professional levels for the past 10 years or so, I probably have a slightly different outlook on this than most. I agree with many posters that my enthusiasm for watching football on television has waned over the past few seasons, but that is difficult for me to tell if it is because I watch so much football already, or if my overall interest has decreased.
I enjoy being around the game and appreciate how hard these athletes work. I am constantly amazed at what people their size can do. I enjoy being able to help them when my services are needed. But I cringe every time a big collision happens. I dread that brief instant after a big hit when you aren't sure if the player is going to get up or not. I say a quick prayer before every game that no player will lose their life that night (which is crazy, right?). And when the clock hits 0:00, and no one has been hurt, I feel a huge sense of relief.
Inevitably, every fall when the stories about players dying from heat illness or traumatic injuries (and there are always a few, every year), I wonder if THIS is the year things really start to change. But damned if I know how to change things to make them safer. These are large, strong human beings running into each other at top speed. I don't know how you make that 'safe', by any definition.
I'm torn on this issue. I do think eventually, football as we know it will be no longer. How long? No idea, that's for people much smarter than me to figure out. But I can tell you: I have a young son. I hope like heck he picks up golf.


I appreciate this perspective thank you for sharing.

One thing I wonder from my playing days is the residual damage of the constant small collisions in practices and games rather than the big collusions. I was a tight end, so lots of blocking, lots of hitting heads with other bigger guys. I can't imagine that is good long term.

Do you have any insight into that? I do think teams are moving towards less contact in practice, which struck me as a long overdue move.
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Posted 10 August 2017 - 01:04 PM

 

I used to love the Vikings/NFL way more than I ever did even the Twins until about 10-15 years ago.Don't get me wrong, I still watch the Vikings most Sundays, but it's not must see for me anymore.The new information on CTE's doesn't help.But what did it most for me was the 2009 NFC championship game.It helps, for myself anyway, that a Twins game is far more affordable to attend than a Vikings game.Plus going to a ballpark is more fun to me than a football stadium.

 

Good point. The last NFL game I went to was at the Metrodome 5+ years ago. The sheer amount of downtime waiting for the commercial breaks to end is incredibly boring. And, of course, you're going to have that one person in every section who's drunk and disorderly which can ruin the experience of a game. 

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 01:08 PM

 

Good point. The last NFL game I went to was at the Metrodome 5+ years ago. The sheer amount of downtime waiting for the commercial breaks to end is incredibly boring. And, of course, you're going to have that one person in every section who's drunk and disorderly which can ruin the experience of a game. 

 

only 1? We had a mini family reunion at the Vikings Cards game last fall. We had 3 drunks, and people apologizing for their friends.

 

If not for there being 10 family members there, it would have been boring probably. But, modern stadiums and their huge screens help....

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 01:09 PM

 

I appreciate this perspective thank you for sharing.

One thing I wonder from my playing days is the residual damage of the constant small collisions in practices and games rather than the big collusions. I was a tight end, so lots of blocking, lots of hitting heads with other bigger guys. I can't imagine that is good long term.

Do you have any insight into that? I do think teams are moving towards less contact in practice, which struck me as a long overdue move.

 

new research shows your fears of lots of "small" impacts (they aren't that small, actually) is bad.

 

Did anyone see Jim Plunkett's posts/news, and the response of fans taht "they are adults and got paid a lot"....so, ya, lack of good fans/empathy also is an issue for me. 

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 01:21 PM

new research shows your fears of lots of "small" impacts (they aren't that small, actually) is bad.

Did anyone see Jim Plunkett's posts/news, and the response of fans taht "they are adults and got paid a lot"....so, ya, lack of good fans/empathy also is an issue for me.


I saw that research and recently had a talk with an orthopedic doc who downplayed the concern. Curious on other perspectives.
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Posted 10 August 2017 - 01:23 PM

My interest is also waning, but I still follow the Vikings. My low level of interest seems odd right now, maybe it will increase once the season starts. Maybe not.

 

It's much harder to have conversations with "NFL Only" types. I loved Vikings Journal (RIP) but posting there was an entirely different animal than in a baseball forum. Everyone speaks much more aggressively and cock-sure regardless if there is any evidence to support their opinions. When talking football there's rarely a distinction between opinion and fact and God forbid discourse is civil if there is a disagreement.

 

It's almost like NFL Only posters feel their posts have to be representative of what they see on the field.

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 01:29 PM

 

My interest is also waning, but I still follow the Vikings. My low level of interest seems odd right now, maybe it will increase once the season starts. Maybe not.

 

It's much harder to have conversations with "NFL Only" types. I loved Vikings Journal (RIP) but posting there was an entirely different animal than in a baseball forum. Everyone speaks much more aggressively and cock-sure regardless if there is any evidence to support their opinions. When talking football there's rarely a distinction between opinion and fact and God forbid discourse is civil if there is a disagreement.

 

It's almost like NFL Only posters feel their posts have to be representative of what they see on the field.

This is my experience as well.  NFL diehards take the fun out of trash talking.  It goes past the point of friendly, good natured smack talk to just flat out mean and obnoxious.  It takes the fun right out of it.

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 01:32 PM

 

I saw that research and recently had a talk with an orthopedic doc who downplayed the concern. Curious on other perspectives.

 

ah, thx! sometimes I forget your name starts with dr!

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