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#41 Vanimal46

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Posted 26 July 2017 - 12:15 PM

 

I'm going to be that ass hole guy and say I TOLD YOU WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SELLERS.There is still time to get on the seller bandwagon.

Who are you selling? And who's going to offer value for what the Twins are offering?


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Posted 26 July 2017 - 12:33 PM

I'm going to be that ass hole guy and say I TOLD YOU WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SELLERS.There is still time to get on the seller bandwagon.

Well, anything about the game itself last night?
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Posted 26 July 2017 - 12:34 PM

 

Dick Bremer tweeted out, "Video shows Lance Barrett looking at Paul Molitor's adjusted lineup card. Seems inexcusable for the umpire to misunderstand intended move."

 

Molitor said in the post-game his card was marked right.

 

The only two conclusions I can come to are that the umpire screwed up, or Molitor is lying about his lineup card.I highly doubt Molitor is lying.

 

Or that Dick Bremer is reporting inaccurate information. I just watched the video, the umpire does glance down at Molitor's lineup card while he is retrieving his own card, but this was just after they spoke, before Molitor writes on it.

 

Isn't on Molitor to look over at the umpire's card?  Or simply ask to see it after the ump has written it down?  Not that the umpire should be sloppy, but Molitor is the guy with the vested interest in the outcome of the move.  (Bremer too, I guess :) )

 

Heck, Roberts actually came out to talk with the umpires as the switch was happening.  Molitor probably should have made it his beeswax to go over there and make sure they were all on the same page, and the whole matter could have been avoided.

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Posted 26 July 2017 - 12:41 PM

if the Twins dont make the playoffs Molitor should be gone? With the talent on this team (especially on the pitching side) the fact this team has held on this long in contention is quite something.

There are reasons to fire Molitor, but a team that shouldnt make the playoffs (based on talent level) not making the playoffs isnt one of them.

This team without Buxton or Sano will struggle to play .500 ball for long. That said, the secondary pieces are good, but Polanco and Granite could easily have been replaced with Adrianza and Grossman, with Kepler or Rosario in center. That right there is a better lineup than what Molitor drew up. At least until Polanco gets straightened out. Granite has no business hitting second right now. Maybe in the future someday.
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Posted 26 July 2017 - 12:49 PM

 

Who are you selling? And who's going to offer value for what the Twins are offering?

Santana, Kintzler, Dozier, maybe Escobar and Rosario. Not sure. If nobody offers something that makes it worth while, then obviously don't pull the trigger. But the point is it doesn't seem like we've been trying to sell under the mistaken, albeit sympathetic view that we have much of a chance of making the playoffs.

 

Well, anything about the game itself last night?

Why would I want to talk about that ****show?


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Posted 26 July 2017 - 12:54 PM

Why would I want to talk about that ****show?

Because this is the thread for talking about the game?
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Posted 26 July 2017 - 01:08 PM

 

This spiraled out of control quickly. They were a half game out just a few days ago.

This is why I preferred they sell. This was inevitable. Now they're just a losing team with a bunch of old soon-expiring contracts (Santana, Dozier, Garcia, Mauer, etc), out of which they didn't pull any residual value.

 

And it can spiral right back on top! Nothing a 10 game winning streak doesn't cure. I don't throw in the towel, yet. It is going to happen to one or two of the teams in the Central. It already happened to KC (who are my pick to win the division), and got them right at the top. Hey....... the Twins had a 9 game run of lost one/won one, and basically played .500 ball coming out of the All-star break, and then ran into the LA Dodgers, who are only 34-6 in their last 40 games! It isn't just the Twins failing when the Dodgers have landed on their schedule. This has been happening to all the teams that are playing the Dodgers. These guys know how to win, and when the rally starts, the buzz is on, and everyone on the team emotes it and expects to get a hit and continue it, and every one in the stands feels it. It is quite remarkable what is happening right now. This is a team that has a ton of earned confidence. The feeling is infectious to all in its presence. 

 

I am glad the Twins didn't take Jose De Leon. Just like the Nationals pawning off Meyer for Span, there is a reason the Dodgers insisted the trade for a second baseman would be De Leon no matter who they traded with. The Dodgers felt he was not elite, and wanted to move him. Check out how his season has been, even if you don't consider he was out for a month and a half. For this FO to be successful, it is important they make the call and identification early with prospects, make early choices and prune redundancy, rather than holding them, paralyzed by hope, while they stall in AA or AAA and lose their value. 

 

Mauer can't lose anymore value, and could just gain some with a burst that has been coming for years (right? it has to be coming......). Garcia is a cheap rental, and could really help, and I don't see how he could hurt. Dozier is due to get hot..... and Santana can too, and often, in his career, has the mid season lull and comes on again. Plus, the guys need to gel and perform as a team. I think there is a new manager next year, just because Molitor's contract expires, and the FO guys made a deal they are honoring in his case, but can pick their own guy after this year. I don't throw in the towel at this point, that is for sure.

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Posted 26 July 2017 - 01:17 PM

And it can spiral right back on top! Nothing a 10 game winning streak doesn't cure. I don't throw in the towel, yet. It is going to happen to one or two of the teams in the Central. It already happened to KC (who are my pick to win the division), and got them right at the top. Hey....... the Twins had a 9 game run of lost one/won one, and basically played .500 ball coming out of the All-star break, and then ran into the LA Dodgers, who are only 34-6 in their last 40 games! It isn't just the Twins failing when the Dodgers have landed on their schedule. This has been happening to all the teams that are playing the Dodgers. These guys know how to win, and when the rally starts, the buzz is on, and everyone on the team emotes it and expects to get a hit and continue it, and every one in the stands feels it. It is quite remarkable what is happening right now. This is a team that has a ton of earned confidence. The feeling is infectious to all in its presence. 
 
I am glad the Twins didn't take Jose De Leon. Just like the Nationals pawning off Meyer for Span, there is a reason the Dodgers insisted the trade for a second baseman would be De Leon no matter who they traded with. The Dodgers felt he was not elite, and wanted to move him. Check out how his season has been, even if you don't consider he was out for a month and a half. For this FO to be successful, it is important they start make the call and identification early with prospects, make early choices and prune redundancy, rather than holding them, paralyzed by hope, while they stall in AA or AAA and lose their value. 
 
Mauer can't lose anymore value, and could just gain some with a burst that has been coming for years (right? it has to be coming......). Garcia is a cheap rental, and could really help, and I don't see how he could hurt. Dozier is due to get hot..... and Santana can too, and often, in his career, has the mid season lull and comes on again. Plus, the guys need to gel and perform as a team. I think there is a new manager next year, just because Molitor's contract expires, and the FO guys made a deal they are honoring in his case, but can pick their own guy after this year. I don't throw in the towel at this point, that is for sure.

Great post. The pennant chase is slipping out of their grasp, let's see how they respond.
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Posted 26 July 2017 - 02:04 PM

 

While I generally agree that the team hasn't been great in those situations, the inning you reference (When Berrios and Dozier struck out), Zack Granite came through with a two-out RBI single. 

 

Yes, Granite did come through there.Then Mauer walked to load them up again and Escobar grounded out. Just so many wasted opportunities to get crooked numbers.

 

Dozier has been absolutely awful this series at the plate. He struck out with the bases loaded and less-than-2-outs in both games.


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Posted 26 July 2017 - 02:29 PM

 

Yes, Granite did come through there.Then Mauer walked to load them up again and Escobar grounded out. Just so many wasted opportunities to get crooked numbers.

 

Dozier has been absolutely awful this series at the plate. He struck out with the bases loaded and less-than-2-outs in both games.

 

I mean, with two outs, to score you have to get a hit... Aren't the odds of that generally going to be about 1 in 4 or maybe 3 in 10?

 

Striking out with a runner on 3rd and less than 2 outs hurts a lot... getting out with two outs doesn't bother me. 


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Posted 26 July 2017 - 05:59 PM

 

 

 

Striking out with a runner on 3rd and less than 2 outs hurts a lot.... 

 

Kepler did that in game 1. Dozier did that in both games.

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 12:12 AM

 

Kepler did that in game 1. Dozier did that in both games.

 

It hurts a lot, but it happens. They're obviously not trying to strike out. 




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