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#21 Craig Arko

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Posted 30 July 2017 - 10:50 AM

Should probably eliminate the other mistake-prone human elements as well. Start here.

http://www.masterpit...ching-machines/

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#22 Mr. Brooks

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Posted 30 July 2017 - 11:12 AM

Should probably eliminate the other mistake-prone human elements as well. Start here.

http://www.masterpit...ching-machines/


Mistakes by officials is an artificial human element in the first place though.
The game is played by the players. There SHOULD be mistakes from them, that is the whole point.
The officials are only there to make sure the players follow the rules. Mistakes by them should NOT be a natural part of the game.
Its something you live with, if you have to, unless technology allows you to not have to.
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Posted 30 July 2017 - 11:21 AM

Perhaps even more democratic, we could crowdsource the calling of balls and strikes, so fans can determine the outcomes directly from the comfort of their own homes. :)

The technology exists, so it must be progress to use it.

Edited by Craig Arko, 30 July 2017 - 11:22 AM.

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Posted 30 July 2017 - 11:24 AM

Perhaps even more democratic, we could crowdsource the calling of balls and strikes, so fans can determine the outcomes directly from the comfort of their own homes. :)
The technology exists, so it must be progress to use it.

Do you think that would help?

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#25 Craig Arko

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Posted 30 July 2017 - 11:28 AM

Do you think that would help?


I don't think help is necessary in the first place.

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#26 Mr. Brooks

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Posted 30 July 2017 - 12:45 PM

I don't think help is necessary in the first place.


That's your opinion which is your right.
Doesn't excuse mocking those who do believe that getting the calls right when reasonably possible is necessary.
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Posted 30 July 2017 - 01:16 PM

 

Your point is well taken, but I think that's a much smaller factor than the actual size of the zone. Both players are using the same diameter bat to hit the same diameter ball but Judge has to cover a larger zone. And probably an even bigger factor has to do with the pitcher. Altuve has a higher likelihood of drawing a walk because a smaller zone makes it more difficult for the pitcher to throw strikes. Look at the one at-bat taken by Eddie Gaedel. Obviously that's a bit of an exaggeration, but the point is that it seems unfair to the pitcher that a player's height should be a determining factor in the size of the strike zone.

Again though, Judge is covering an area that is proportionally equivalent to the strike zone of every other hitter in baseball. IMO it cannot be any more uniform than that. If it's more difficult for pitchers to throw to Altuve because his zone is smaller, that's a natural advantage. It's no different than Judge's strength giving him and edge, or a taller pitcher's release point that is closer to the plate being an asset. 

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Posted 30 July 2017 - 04:11 PM

 

Again though, Judge is covering an area that is proportionally equivalent to the strike zone of every other hitter in baseball. IMO it cannot be any more uniform than that. If it's more difficult for pitchers to throw to Altuve because his zone is smaller, that's a natural advantage. It's no different than Judge's strength giving him and edge, or a taller pitcher's release point that is closer to the plate being an asset. 

This has progressed to an agree-to-disagree point. I enjoy the discussion.

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Posted 30 July 2017 - 06:26 PM

High fastballs are impossible to hit. If you increase the strike zone to judge proportions for shorter players than they are never going to hit over .200 again. Balls are more difficult to hit because of where they lie in comparison to the batters body. I'm not sure how 1 strike zone makes it more fair. Quite honestly it's the most insane things I've ever heard

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Posted 30 July 2017 - 07:00 PM

 

High fastballs are impossible to hit. If you increase the strike zone to judge proportions for shorter players than they are never going to hit over .200 again. Balls are more difficult to hit because of where they lie in comparison to the batters body. I'm not sure how 1 strike zone makes it more fair. Quite honestly it's the most insane things I've ever heard

Having a uniform zone doesn't necessarily mean that it would be larger for small players. It could mean that it would be smaller for large players.

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Posted 30 July 2017 - 07:00 PM

 

High fastballs are impossible to hit. If you increase the strike zone to judge proportions for shorter players than they are never going to hit over .200 again. Balls are more difficult to hit because of where they lie in comparison to the batters body. I'm not sure how 1 strike zone makes it more fair. Quite honestly it's the most insane things I've ever heard

And I prefer not to be referred to as insane, thank you.

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Posted 30 July 2017 - 07:25 PM

What about a case where you have a buffoon like Cuzzi, where he just appears to be letting his emotions take control of what little judgement he has?  That's not the human element, where mistakes are made.  That's a bad umpire trying to show up players with bad calls.  If we can't get rid of umpires who suck, I'm ready to automate (even though that's not my first choice).

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Posted 30 July 2017 - 07:34 PM

And I prefer not to be referred to as insane, thank you.


I never called you insane. I called the idea insane. It's equivalent to flat earth theory in my opinion
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Posted 30 July 2017 - 07:43 PM

What about a case where you have a buffoon like Cuzzi, where he just appears to be letting his emotions take control of what little judgement he has? That's not the human element, where mistakes are made. That's a bad umpire trying to show up players with bad calls. If we can't get rid of umpires who suck, I'm ready to automate (even though that's not my first choice).


Yeah first thought came to my mind was the ump who was challenging the pitcher to challenge his call on a ball 4

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Posted 30 July 2017 - 08:23 PM

I never called you insane. I called the idea insane. It's equivalent to flat earth theory in my opinion

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Posted 30 July 2017 - 09:21 PM

 

I was previously against it

 

Followed by Apathetic toward it

 

I'm now officially in the Automate it camp. 

 

The technology is there... Let it happen. 

 

There is no reason to miss balls and strikes in 2018. 

 

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Posted 30 July 2017 - 09:27 PM

I can't plainly see any negatives to an automated strike zone. Give the home plate ump an ear piece and let he/she make the calls.
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Posted 31 July 2017 - 07:14 AM

 

I never called you insane. I called the idea insane. It's equivalent to flat earth theory in my opinion

OK, pal, thanks for the eloquent analysis.

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Posted 31 July 2017 - 07:26 AM

OK, pal, thanks for the eloquent analysis.


Just curious. Is the strike zone going to be in the same spot for every batter too? So for Jose it would be belt to his eyes? Or would it be judge having to adjust to a strike zone from his shins to his thighs?

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Posted 31 July 2017 - 07:47 AM

 

Just curious. Is the strike zone going to be in the same spot for every batter too? So for Jose it would be belt to his eyes? Or would it be judge having to adjust to a strike zone from his shins to his thighs?

And what about the Rod Carew type that would crouch. Much as I liked him I never thought it quite fair that someone in a crouch got a smaller strike zone than a guy the same height that stood upright.  

 

Most exciting about the automated zone is that it puts an umpiring career back into play for me and my 20/50 vision.

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