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Article: Twins Minor League Report (7/16): Romero Strong in Short Start, Rooker Homers Again

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#21 gunnarthor

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 08:45 AM

Nice start by Romero. I think he's done enough of these five inning starts in AA. Just move him to AAA or bring him up to our pen now and let him finish the year up here and hopefully we can plug him into a rotation spot next spring.

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#22 Seth Stohs

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 08:48 AM

 

I see that Brandon Lopez came out of the Fort Myers game after being hit by a pitch.  Any word on what happened or how he's doing?

 

He was hit pretty squarely right above the wrist. A contusion. It'll probably be a couple of games, but he should be fine. 


#23 clutterheart

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 08:54 AM

 

Nice start by Romero. I think he's done enough of these five inning starts in AA. Just move him to AAA or bring him up to our pen now and let him finish the year up here and hopefully we can plug him into a rotation spot next spring.

 

I say leave him as is.  5 innings an outing until he hits his limit.  I would rather not see him get strained going into the bullpen and doing something new.  

 

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#24 Mike Sixel

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 08:56 AM

 

I say leave him as is.  5 innings an outing until he hits his limit.  I would rather not see him get strained going into the bullpen and doing something new.  

 

Like other successful teams do with their pitchers sometimes?

 

This org is so dang change averse, what they've been doing hasn't worked all that well....

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 09:22 AM

 

Like other successful teams do with their pitchers sometimes?

 

This org is so dang change averse, what they've been doing hasn't worked all that well....

 

Normally I would agree.  But he is coming off UCL issues and his arm /routine is based around being a starting pitcher.  He has already pitched more innings than he ever has so don't put him in a situation whre he has pitch in the 8th inning and he goes out and tries to throw 100 mph.  

 

He is young, and a potential #1 or #2 starter.  Why screw with that?  

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#26 gunnarthor

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 09:38 AM

 

Normally I would agree.  But he is coming off UCL issues and his arm /routine is based around being a starting pitcher.  He has already pitched more innings than he ever has so don't put him in a situation whre he has pitch in the 8th inning and he goes out and tries to throw 100 mph.  

 

He is young, and a potential #1 or #2 starter.  Why screw with that?  

We did it with Santana, Liriano and Perkins (among others). There's nothing overly risky about getting him some BP time in the majors. He'd get to face ML quality hitters in limited situations, building up confidence, while learning to play in the majors. He seems to be able to handle AA pitchers. Over his last ten starts - 55 innings - he has a 1.46 era and 60 strike outs v 20 walks. Move him.


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Posted 17 July 2017 - 09:43 AM

 

We did it with Santana, Liriano and Perkins (among others). There's nothing overly risky about getting him some BP time in the majors. He'd get to face ML quality hitters in limited situations, building up confidence, while learning to play in the majors. He seems to be able to handle AA pitchers. Over his last ten starts - 55 innings - he has a 1.46 era and 60 strike outs v 20 walks. Move him.

 

I have pretty much zero doubt that Romero will pitch in the big leagues this year. Maybe as a starter, and maybe as a reliever. But, it'll be done with care, making sure they're taking care of him arm.

 

Santana was obviously a special situation with a Rule 5 thing. Liriano was a September call up, and I think Perkins was too. That's probably what Romero would be (Sept call up) unless he's called up sooner as a starter (which is very possible). 


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Posted 17 July 2017 - 09:50 AM

 

I have pretty much zero doubt that Romero will pitch in the big leagues this year. Maybe as a starter, and maybe as a reliever. But, it'll be done with care, making sure they're taking care of him arm.

 

Santana was obviously a special situation with a Rule 5 thing. Liriano was a September call up, and I think Perkins was too. That's probably what Romero would be (Sept call up) unless he's called up sooner as a starter (which is very possible). 

Liriano was a sept call up but spent the first six weeks of 2006 in the pen as well. Perkins spent nearly all of 07 in the pen (i think he was on the DL as well) Santana wasn't a fulltime starter until his third season with the ML team. The point is that the Twins have certainly used the bullpen as an introductory method for young pitchers before. 


#29 clutterheart

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 09:50 AM

 

We did it with Santana, Liriano and Perkins (among others). There's nothing overly risky about getting him some BP time in the majors. He'd get to face ML quality hitters in limited situations, building up confidence, while learning to play in the majors. He seems to be able to handle AA pitchers. Over his last ten starts - 55 innings - he has a 1.46 era and 60 strike outs v 20 walks. Move him.

 

Santana, Liriano and Perkins did not get their first taste in the majors in their first full season back after Tommy John surgery.  

 

If it wasn't for the Tommy John I would agree with you.  But in this case, why risk it?  

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 09:55 AM

 

Santana, Liriano and Perkins did not get their first taste in the majors in their first full season back after Tommy John surgery.  

 

If it wasn't for the Tommy John I would agree with you.  But in this case, why risk it?  

That's not an unreasonable position. I guess I'm not as worried but if the brass was worried about it, fine. 

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#31 Mike Sixel

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 09:58 AM

 

Santana, Liriano and Perkins did not get their first taste in the majors in their first full season back after Tommy John surgery.  

 

If it wasn't for the Tommy John I would agree with you.  But in this case, why risk it?  

 

because babying pitchers doesn't work either, and I say get them up and see what they can do. Get them some acclimation to the majors. Get some nerves out of the way. Prepare for the future, and maybe get lucky this year also.

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 10:05 AM

 

Rooker also got his 20th K. There are several hitters in the Appalachian League hitting better than he is and his K rate suggests that he might be selling out for homers. He has nowhere to go in the Twins system, with Diaz and Minier at Cedar Rapids and none of the three ready for the Florida State League. Unless he demonstrates better bat control in the Rookie League before he gets promoted, history shows that he'll get eaten alive.

I'd also like to add, looking at his statistics, Rooker has about a 22% K rate at Elizabethton right now; which while not fantastic, is also really not that far off from what he did at Mississippi St. this past year when he had 19% K rate for the season.  This is what Rooker is.  I'd also add, that again a 20% K rate is not great, It's not in the realm of former Twin, Adam Brett Walker, who had a 31% K rate in Elizabethton and continued that trend through the system.

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 10:07 AM

 

Santana, Liriano and Perkins did not get their first taste in the majors in their first full season back after Tommy John surgery.  

 

If it wasn't for the Tommy John I would agree with you.  But in this case, why risk it?  

I agree with this. I'm not a doctor, I have no evidence that suggests it is risky to let Romero continue to pitch, but the longer he's throwing the more and more nervous I get. The team is clearly concerned about overusing him, limiting his pitches/innings, so why continue to push it?

 

I have already reached out to the Empire to see if I can borrow that thing they froze Han Solo in. Gonna ship it Chattanooga. We'll melt Romero out of the carbonite around spring training. 

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 11:14 AM

 

I'd also like to add, looking at his statistics, Rooker has about a 22% K rate at Elizabethton right now; which while not fantastic, is also really not that far off from what he did at Mississippi St. this past year when he had 19% K rate for the season.  This is what Rooker is.  I'd also add, that again a 20% K rate is not great, It's not in the realm of former Twin, Adam Brett Walker, who had a 31% K rate in Elizabethton and continued that trend through the system.

 

The comparison isn't quite that even. ABW's K rate in college was also about 19.6% his last year and he was only 20 years old in Elizabethton, not 22 like Rooker. I'm not making any assessment about what this means, just pointing out that their situations weren't as equivalent as you suggest.


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Posted 17 July 2017 - 12:41 PM

Rare Monday Backfield notes today, (I took the morning off from my bday partying the night before) Brusdar Graterol started the GCL game but only made it two batters in before the game was delayed an hour due to lightning strikes in the area.  An hour later, the umps came out and called the game due to lightning and impending weather although the Miracles game across the street continued on throughout without any delay.  Port Charlotte's coach was not too happy.

 

Graterol only threw a few pitches but his fastball was 97-99 mph, I also got to meet his girlfriend and his agent today.  His slated opponent was to be rehabber and talk of TD forums all winter RHP Jose De Leon.  In the lineup today for the GCL Twins was rehabber Daniel Palka.  On the bench, OF Lean Marrero is slated for surgery on his hamate bone and will be out until Instructional ball.  

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#36 DocBauer

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 12:46 PM

Not sure if Romero could or should pitch in the pen for the Twins this year. (If there is any concern, then no, protect the arm). Buy can't he be pitching his 5 innings for Rochester going forward? He is clearly ready for the promotion.
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Posted 17 July 2017 - 03:42 PM

 

Santana, Liriano and Perkins did not get their first taste in the majors in their first full season back after Tommy John surgery.  

 

If it wasn't for the Tommy John I would agree with you.  But in this case, why risk it?  

 

I've been pretty pro getting Romero in the mlb pen at the end of the year, but this is a pretty compelling counterpoint.

 

There certainly is wisdom keeping him on the same routine, limiting innings and having him finish the year, rather than trying to stretch him at the end in an unfamiliar role when he is fatigued and more susceptible to injury coming off his previous injuries.

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Posted 18 July 2017 - 07:36 AM

Normally I would agree. But he is coming off UCL issues and his arm /routine is based around being a starting pitcher. He has already pitched more innings than he ever has so don't put him in a situation whre he has pitch in the 8th inning and he goes out and tries to throw 100 mph.

He is young, and a potential #1 or #2 starter. Why screw with that?


The Twins employed some of the same excuses for the perfectly healthy Berrios a couple years ago...
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Posted 18 July 2017 - 07:45 AM

Santana, Liriano and Perkins did not get their first taste in the majors in their first full season back after Tommy John surgery.

If it wasn't for the Tommy John I would agree with you. But in this case, why risk it?


I don't know if technically this should be called his first full season back after TJ. He had the surgery way back in June 2014. They already slow paced his recovery and conservatively held him back in 2016 (probably his real "first full season back"). At some point you can't lean on that excuse anymore.

Manage his innings and expectations and I think you can do whatever you want with him this season.

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Posted 18 July 2017 - 08:43 AM

 

The Twins employed some of the same excuses for the perfectly healthy Berrios a couple years ago...

They weren't excuses though they were facts. Besides Duffey beat him out. Maybe the board can start a campaign to have Gonsalves pitch game 163.

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