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#41 Brandon

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 10:48 PM

Lets see Colon go 6-4 over 13 or 14 starts averaging 6.33 innings with a 4.5 era and helping us narrowly beat cleveland for the division. He is more likely to do that then be a total loss. If he is a total loss ...he is out after a few starts and we bring up one of the kids....he buys us some time for them and could be more.
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Posted 15 July 2017 - 10:51 PM

 

It seems I might be the only one that likes the move.

 

Actually, I'm with you in not minding it.

 

It looks like we only need a No. 5 starter two times before Aug. 5. I'm fine with a two-game trial on a guy who had a 118 ERA+ last year:

  1. If he pitches well and we're still amazingly in it, great. We got a bargain for the stretch run.
  2. If he pitches well, but we've fallen out of it, he might bring us a low-end prospect by trade.
  3. If he pitches lousy, good riddance. And congrats on a great career that ended only behind Juan Marichal in wins by a Dominican.
  4. And even if he pitches lousy, we've gained enough time to fully stretch out Dillon Gee, who now has pitched 3, 5, and 7 scoreless innings at Rochester with a 0.87 WHIP, his only action since May. SSS sure, but of our long-shot waiver claims, I think he has the best chance of being a legit No. 4 or 5. He's only 31 and has shown some (albeit inconsistent) success. He would get three more starts before being needed on Aug. 5.
  5. Shucks, if Colon is really lousy on Tuesday, it will have at least bought Gee another start at Rochester. The Twins can actually arrange the rotation to have the second time they need a No. 5 be on the 25th, which would be Gee's normal day. 

And by Aug. 5 or so, we've got basically 45 games left to see where:

  1. The standings are.
  2. How the trade market dust has settled.
  3. Where all the prospects are in terms of innings limits and continued progression in the pattern that best suits their development. That could mean finish the season where they currently are, moving up for a few starts, picking up a few bullpen innings at a higher level, or whatever. 

 


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Posted 15 July 2017 - 11:08 PM

 

Did Radke really retire at 33? It seems like he was around forever before he called it quits

Yep. It just seems like he was around forever because he had at least 28 starts in 11 of his 12 seasons, beginning at age 22. And the season he missed still had 21 starts.

 

And talk about steady -- 8 of his 12 seasons had an ERA+ from 101 to 120. Two seasons were low 90s and two were 135 and 136.

 

He always struck me as someone who was content with himself and a baseball life that treated him well and allowed himself to make solid chunk of money. He didn't seem like a hanger-on or someone that needed to maintain his identity by being in the public eye. And I mean all of that in the best way possible. Is that an accurate read? 


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Posted 15 July 2017 - 11:18 PM

 

I don't have a problem with it.  He'll have a better defense behind him then when he was in New York.  I don't see why he can't put up better numbers in Minnesota than he did with the Mets.

I think you're talking about the Braves, the team he played with for the first half of 2017. He was an All-Star for the Mets last year.


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Posted 16 July 2017 - 01:25 AM

 

I really want to make snarky jokes about this, but honestly I'm too mad to do so.

 

44-year-old Big Sexy starting for a team that's "in the hunt" is the biggest joke I can remember since becoming a Twins fan back in 1985.

 

This is Tyner hitting cleanup. This Bartlett playing OF. This is Butch Huskey.

 

I'm ashamed to be a fan of this clown show.

This is a team that has started Turley and Wilk. This might be the biggest over-reaction I've ever seen on here. 

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Posted 16 July 2017 - 01:33 AM

 

Yep. It just seems like he was around forever because he had at least 28 starts in 11 of his 12 seasons, beginning at age 22. And the season he missed still had 21 starts.

 

And talk about steady -- 8 of his 12 seasons had an ERA+ from 101 to 120. Two seasons were low 90s and two were 135 and 136.

 

He always struck me as someone who was content with himself and a baseball life that treated him well and allowed himself to make solid chunk of money. He didn't seem like a hanger-on or someone that needed to maintain his identity by being in the public eye. And I mean all of that in the best way possible. Is that an accurate read? 

You're right on Radke. He was under-appreciated. He took some heat after getting a 'huge' contract in the late 90's for not earning his 'ace' salary. But he was who he was. The shoulder may have forced him out a year or two sooner, but I think he was satisfied and wanted to go watch his kids grow up. He was never a guy who was going to be pitching at 38-39 IMO.


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Posted 16 July 2017 - 01:35 AM

 

 

Actually, I'm with you in not minding it.

 

It looks like we only need a No. 5 starter two times before Aug. 5. I'm fine with a two-game trial on a guy who had a 118 ERA+ last year:

  1. If he pitches well and we're still amazingly in it, great. We got a bargain for the stretch run.
  2. If he pitches well, but we've fallen out of it, he might bring us a low-end prospect by trade.
  3. If he pitches lousy, good riddance. And congrats on a great career that ended only behind Juan Marichal in wins by a Dominican.
  4. And even if he pitches lousy, we've gained enough time to fully stretch out Dillon Gee, who now has pitched 3, 5, and 7 scoreless innings at Rochester with a 0.87 WHIP, his only action since May. SSS sure, but of our long-shot waiver claims, I think he has the best chance of being a legit No. 4 or 5. He's only 31 and has shown some (albeit inconsistent) success. He would get three more starts before being needed on Aug. 5.
  5. Shucks, if Colon is really lousy on Tuesday, it will have at least bought Gee another start at Rochester. The Twins can actually arrange the rotation to have the second time they need a No. 5 be on the 25th, which would be Gee's normal day. 

And by Aug. 5 or so, we've got basically 45 games left to see where:

  1. The standings are.
  2. How the trade market dust has settled.
  3. Where all the prospects are in terms of innings limits and continued progression in the pattern that best suits their development. That could mean finish the season where they currently are, moving up for a few starts, picking up a few bullpen innings at a higher level, or whatever. 

 

All of this. There is literally no downside to this at all. There will be plenty of chances to watch the kids of the season blows up. People want Gibson gone. They want Santiago gone. They want Santana traded. They're irate we signed Colon. How many kids do y'all think we have that can pitch up here?

Edited by howeda7, 16 July 2017 - 01:37 AM.

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Posted 16 July 2017 - 04:15 AM

All of this. There is literally no downside to this at all. There will be plenty of chances to watch the kids of the season blows up. People want Gibson gone. They want Santiago gone. They want Santana traded. They're irate we signed Colon. How many kids do y'all think we have that can pitch up here?


I don't want Gibson or Santiago gone, not at this time; nor do I want ESan traded, unless there is a good offer for him. But I don't want Colon pitching, either, especially not on Tuesday.

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Posted 16 July 2017 - 06:31 AM

My wonderment is more along the lines of:  Is this a negative indictment from the Twins FO on the quality of Twins MiLB starting pitching? 

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Posted 16 July 2017 - 06:59 AM

My wonderment is more along the lines of: Is this a negative indictment from the Twins FO on the quality of Twins MiLB starting pitching?


Probably more the previous regime. The rotation wasn't the highest quality (to put it mildly) and it lacked upper end depth going into the offseason.

FA class was pretty mediocre and it is really difficult to add quality minor league depth without trading mlb pieces. There wasn't much for the new regime to work with.

Much bigger indictment is not addressing the bullpen.
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Posted 16 July 2017 - 07:17 AM

Would love to see Bartolo seize this opportunity. Would also like to see Dillon Gee soon. I thoroughly expect a blood bath today with Gibson on the mound, and hopefully be Gibson's last start as a Twin. This rotation would be intriguing.
1. Santana
2. Berrios
3. Mejia
4. Colon
5. Gee

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Posted 16 July 2017 - 07:18 AM

And I never need to see Santiago pitch another game in a Twins uniform.

Edited by Aaron Cross, 16 July 2017 - 07:25 AM.


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Posted 16 July 2017 - 07:23 AM

I did not think about this the first time I read your essay, but why is Bartolo up now when he will not pitch until Tuesday?  Maybe a relief pitcher could be of more immediate importance for Sunday/Monday


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Posted 16 July 2017 - 07:48 AM

Will the Twins be able to hang on to Gee if they don't bring him up soon??

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Posted 16 July 2017 - 08:10 AM

Pretty sure they'll have to call him up soon or lose him. His last start was great.

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Posted 16 July 2017 - 08:27 AM

 

I did not think about this the first time I read your essay, but why is Bartolo up now when he will not pitch until Tuesday?  Maybe a relief pitcher could be of more immediate importance for Sunday/Monday

He isn't up yet, they haven't made a corresponding roster move at this point. All we know is that it's been confirmed Colon will come up before Tuesday's game starts.


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Posted 16 July 2017 - 09:03 AM

 

I don't know, I like having Bartolo start against the Yankees.

He's a magician and a freak, and he might just muster a good outing.

That's must see baseball, IMHO

And for the pure rebuilders, I always remember the Twins, when competitive having an old someone or other that starts big games in August and September.

Didn't always work out, but still, it's okay to throw a veteran out there and hope.

I hope he no-hits those Yankee jagoffs...

 

 

 

Kinda think that might not happen, but by gum, wouldn't it be sweeter than sweet? 

 

 


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Posted 16 July 2017 - 09:40 AM

 

Lets see Colon go 6-4 over 13 or 14 starts averaging 6.33 innings with a 4.5 era and helping us narrowly beat cleveland for the division. He is more likely to do that then be a total loss. If he is a total loss ...he is out after a few starts and we bring up one of the kids....he buys us some time for them and could be more.

His numbers from Atlanta and Rochester would beg to differ.


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Posted 16 July 2017 - 09:41 AM

 

Would love to see Bartolo seize this opportunity. Would also like to see Dillon Gee soon. I thoroughly expect a blood bath today with Gibson on the mound, and hopefully be Gibson's last start as a Twin. This rotation would be intriguing.
1. Santana
2. Berrios
3. Mejia
4. Colon
5. Gee

That's vomit-inducing at 4 and 5.


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Posted 16 July 2017 - 09:47 AM

 

This is a team that has started Turley and Wilk. This might be the biggest over-reaction I've ever seen on here. 

While those guy are awful, they're at least young so optimism from the Wonder Twins is understandable.

 

This is a 44-year-old who got teed off on in the NL and then served up AAA batting practice last week. The fact that anyone thinks this is a good or justifiable move blows my mind.




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