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#41 Seth Stohs

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Posted 03 July 2017 - 10:59 AM

Looks like 8 players have signed this morning...

 

 

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Posted 03 July 2017 - 11:14 AM

 

Looks like 8 players have signed this morning...

 

 

And that's just from the Dominican. If you look at the lists of top unsigned players they fall into 2 categories. Not yet 16 or from Venezuela. I think independent experts and sources are much stronger in DR. It will be interesting who the Twins sign from elsewhere. 


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Posted 03 July 2017 - 11:43 AM

 

Looks like 8 players have signed this morning...

 

 

Yelinson Peña (SS), Luis Báez (OF), Yolby Guzmán (RHP), José Anjudar (OF), Jeyson Ferreira (RHP), Jelfry Marte (SS) Yoldin Mateo (RHP) y Wilfred Castro ©

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Posted 03 July 2017 - 12:37 PM

Love the investment down there. We have a really strong team and I hope these kids continue that tradition. We are starting to see the fruits in the majors and upper minor leagues. Hope this trend continues
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#45 twinsfanstreif

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Posted 03 July 2017 - 01:29 PM

I could really only find stuff on Marte. Do we know anything about the rest of those guys?

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Posted 03 July 2017 - 01:56 PM

What's wrong with this picture:

 

Ronny Mauricio, ss, Dominican Republic (No. 3 prospect), $2.1 million.

 

George Valera, of, Dominican Republic (No. 5 prospect), $1.3 million

 

Julio Rodriguez, of, Dominican Republic (No. 6 prospect), $1.75 million
 

Jelfry Marte, ss, Dominican Republic (No. 13 prospect), $3 million.


 


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Posted 03 July 2017 - 02:02 PM

 

What's wrong with this picture:

 

Ronny Mauricio, ss, Dominican Republic (No. 3 prospect), $2.1 million.

 

George Valera, of, Dominican Republic (No. 5 prospect), $1.3 million

 

Julio Rodriguez, of, Dominican Republic (No. 6 prospect), $1.75 million
 

Jelfry Marte, ss, Dominican Republic (No. 13 prospect), $3 million.


 

Somebody believes the accuracy of prospect rankingsof 16 year old kids

 

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#48 Mike Sixel

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Posted 03 July 2017 - 02:10 PM

 

Somebody believes the accuracy of prospect rankingsof 16 year old kids

 

That is, imo, unfair. There seems to be a reasonable question in his comment. I can't currently find a list of all the signings, but if there aren't many at that level, it seems reasonable to wonder why they paid that much.

 

The teams clearly think they can rank 15 and 16 year olds, otherwise their wouldn't be big bonuses given out, so it isn't that they are not rankable at all.

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One of the best opening day rosters in years. Now go get 'em.


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Posted 03 July 2017 - 02:13 PM

 

What's wrong with this picture:

 

Ronny Mauricio, ss, Dominican Republic (No. 3 prospect), $2.1 million.

 

George Valera, of, Dominican Republic (No. 5 prospect), $1.3 million

 

Julio Rodriguez, of, Dominican Republic (No. 6 prospect), $1.75 million
 

Jelfry Marte, ss, Dominican Republic (No. 13 prospect), $3 million.


 

 Marte was as high as 3 on one board (MLB.com I think). Just shows how hard it is to judge these kids at such a young age. 

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#50 Mike Sixel

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Posted 03 July 2017 - 02:13 PM

 

Wait you mean rankings aren't the exact way things will end up?

 

has anyone ever claimed that? Ever?

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Posted 03 July 2017 - 02:14 PM

 

has anyone ever claimed that? Ever?

I was being extremely sarcastic. Probably should have made it more obvious. 


#52 Mr. Brooks

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Posted 03 July 2017 - 02:15 PM

That is, imo, unfair. There seems to be a reasonable question in his comment. I can't currently find a list of all the signings, but if there aren't many at that level, it seems reasonable to wonder why they paid that much.

The teams clearly think they can rank 15 and 16 year olds, otherwise their wouldn't be big bonuses given out, so it isn't that they are not rankable at all.


But that ranking isn't done by the same people giving out the contracts.
He could have listed mlb pipelines rankings instead and the bonuses would have matched up better.
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#53 drjim

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Posted 03 July 2017 - 02:18 PM

mlb is generally more based on industry consensus while BA is more independent. Probably explains some of the difference.
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#54 Mike Sixel

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Posted 03 July 2017 - 02:22 PM

 

But that ranking isn't done by the same people giving out the contracts.
He could have listed mlb pipelines rankings instead and the bonuses would have matched up better.

 

hence my statement that if very few are at that level, it raises the question, do the Twins feel that others would have spent that much on the player, since there are hard caps now, what you spend on one player matters more than ever.

 

hence my statement that we need to see how much everyone got.

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Posted 03 July 2017 - 02:50 PM

I do wonder if BA is more accurate right now. Most of the big deals are negotiated over a year ago, people change a lot in their 14/15/16 years.

Marte is a fine prospect but certainly could have slipped from the point he was at when the Twins locked him up.
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#56 Mike Sixel

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Posted 03 July 2017 - 02:56 PM

 

I do wonder if BA is more accurate right now. Most of the big deals are negotiated over a year ago, people change a lot in their 14/15/16 years.

Marte is a fine prospect but certainly could have slipped from the point he was at when the Twins locked him up.

 

that part makes it really hard for sure.

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#57 old nurse

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Posted 03 July 2017 - 03:10 PM

 

That is, imo, unfair. There seems to be a reasonable question in his comment. I can't currently find a list of all the signings, but if there aren't many at that level, it seems reasonable to wonder why they paid that much.

 

The teams clearly think they can rank 15 and 16 year olds, otherwise their wouldn't be big bonuses given out, so it isn't that they are not rankable at all.

When you look at dollar amounts and rankings there is no correlation. Hence the problem in the picture is someone believes the rankings mean something.Unfair. Try cherrypicked numbers for his post

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Posted 03 July 2017 - 03:14 PM

 

has anyone ever claimed that? Ever?

When the poster insinuates that there is something wrong with the dollar amount spent by ranking there would give every appearance of believing the rankings.

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Posted 03 July 2017 - 04:19 PM

 

What's wrong with this picture:

 

Ronny Mauricio, ss, Dominican Republic (No. 3 prospect), $2.1 million.

 

George Valera, of, Dominican Republic (No. 5 prospect), $1.3 million

 

Julio Rodriguez, of, Dominican Republic (No. 6 prospect), $1.75 million
 

Jelfry Marte, ss, Dominican Republic (No. 13 prospect), $3 million.


 

One, Jelfry Marte, is staying a SS, arguably the most important defensive position to fill while the other three are not.  Mauricio, Valera, and Rodriguez all have higher offensive projection and physical growth projection which is why BA has them ranked where they do and Marte at 13.  The Twins financially valued a bonafide SS who might develop as a hitter than other clubs.

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#60 gunnarthor

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Posted 03 July 2017 - 05:14 PM

 

What's wrong with this picture:

 

Ronny Mauricio, ss, Dominican Republic (No. 3 prospect), $2.1 million.

 

George Valera, of, Dominican Republic (No. 5 prospect), $1.3 million

 

Julio Rodriguez, of, Dominican Republic (No. 6 prospect), $1.75 million
 

Jelfry Marte, ss, Dominican Republic (No. 13 prospect), $3 million.


 

Well, on mlb's list Mauricio is #10, Valera is #21 and Rodriguez is #9. Marte is #3. That's probably closer to the industry consensus.

Daniel Flores, #2 on both lists, signed for 3.1m. Franco, #1, got 3.8m. The bigger question, in my mind, is why did Pereira, #4 on both lists, sign with the Yankees for only 1.5m? Are the Yankees doing a Red Sox and funneling him money?