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#21 Seth Stohs

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 08:49 AM

 

No moving Wade to AAA? How old is he now?

 

There is no reason Gordon should spend all of next year in the minors. That's about 180 degrees off how Houston or the Cubs would run their rosters. 

 

Wade is 23 and was drafted two years ago. He is right where he should be. He's doing well, though slumping some of late. 

 

I think Gordon could be a straight-from-AA guy later this year... Or he could start next year in AAA and come up soon. No way he's in the minors all year next year. (I mean, unless something weird happens). 

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 08:50 AM

Not sure where to bring this up but... Chih-Wei Hu's fastball in limited MLB appearances was an average of 93 mph, why am I thinking on of the knocks on him when traded for Jepsen was his fastball velocity was below average?

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#23 Seth Stohs

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 08:56 AM

 

How long does he need to dominate AA before moving up, in your opinion?

 

I'm aggressive, I want guys moved up and challenged. Others are not.

 

I'm a huge Wade fan. He's in my Top 10 Twins prospects, probably even after the new picks are added. But I don't know that he's dominating AA. He's got a great OBP, but he's got a .792 OPS. Again, that's solid, but not dominating. 

 

I'm good with aggressiveness, but I'm also good with letting Gordon and Wade continue to put up numbers for awhile before pushing them. 

 

And, the Twins do have a history of promoting top minor league hitters pretty quickly. Have for years. Gordon and Wade have both been moved quickly in their careers, factoring in age and when they signed. 

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 08:59 AM

When I read the title, I wasn't sure which kind of "promotion" you meant. When I saw the picture of the hideous Star Wars uniforms, I actually thought it was the other kind (until I read, of course). 

 

I love having your picture, Seth, but if the Star Wars uniforms were on my hard drive, I'd wear out the delete key. :)

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It's great to get out of the cellar ... as long as you bring something with you.


#25 Seth Stohs

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 08:59 AM

 

 On a related note, anyone know how decent or bad Mitch Garver looked in the outfield?  

 

It's two games... I'll have to ask him how that's going. It definitely is interesting, giving him more value... but two games is not enough to know much of anything.


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Posted 20 June 2017 - 09:00 AM

 

I'm a huge Wade fan. He's in my Top 10 Twins prospects, probably even after the new picks are added. But I don't know that he's dominating AA. He's got a great OBP, but he's got a .792 OPS. Again, that's solid, but not dominating. 

 

I'm good with aggressiveness, but I'm also good with letting Gordon and Wade continue to put up numbers for awhile before pushing them. 

 

And, the Twins do have a history of promoting top minor league hitters pretty quickly. Have for years. Gordon and Wade have both been moved quickly in their careers, factoring in age and when they signed. 

 

all fair, 

It's been a fun year so far, GO Twins. 


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Posted 20 June 2017 - 09:05 AM

I'm much less of a fan of calling up the batters straight from AA, I'd like to see Gordon get some AAA pitching first; it hasn't worked out terrible well for the Twins when the batters have had no or minimal AAA experience. I think they need to continue to figure out how to adjust and react to the pitchers.

 

I'm just fine calling pitchers up from AA though, particularly relievers. They are the causation to the batters reaction, the things they tend to have to work on like mechanics and control are completely independent of the batters they face.

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 09:15 AM

 

Not sure where to bring this up but... Chih-Wei Hu's fastball in limited MLB appearances was an average of 93 mph, why am I thinking on of the knocks on him when traded for Jepsen was his fastball velocity was below average?

Anyone our favorite team trades, instantly becomes a board favorite. Any player we receive in return, instantly becomes a board scapegoat. It's a game we play here on TD. 

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 09:28 AM

Randy Rosario? Any thoughts on him? I haven't checked his stats since he was optioned back to the Lookouts. Maybe he's young enough that a little more AA time wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.
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Posted 20 June 2017 - 09:30 AM

To make room for all this movement, several (5, 6?) folks at Rochester need to simply be let go --- or a mix of folks -- a couple from each of three or four teams.  I'm wondering who those folks are.  It can't be just the fringes of each team's roster, that won't provide the necessary playing time.


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Posted 20 June 2017 - 09:31 AM

 

I'm much less of a fan of calling up the batters straight from AA, I'd like to see Gordon get some AAA pitching first; it hasn't worked out terrible well for the Twins when the batters have had no or minimal AAA experience. I think they need to continue to figure out how to adjust and react to the pitchers.

 

I'm just fine calling pitchers up from AA though, particularly relievers. They are the causation to the batters reaction, the things they tend to have to work on like mechanics and control are completely independent of the batters they face.

 

Yeah I agree... Other than Mauer and Sano, who were the cream of the crop elite prospects, I can't think of other prospects in this organization who have immediate MLB success from AA. 

 

Gordon is good and could be great, but he's not an ELITE prospect IMO. 


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Posted 20 June 2017 - 09:32 AM

 

To make room for all this movement, several (5, 6?) folks at Rochester need to simply be let go --- or a mix of folks -- a couple from each of three or four teams.  I'm wondering who those folks are.  It can't be just the fringes of each team's roster, that won't provide the necessary playing time.

 

Considering the lack of talent being called up to the MLB from Rochester, there should be a lot of fat to trim on the team. 

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 09:34 AM

Too bad a player's readiness doesn't always jive with the big club's current needs.

I lean more towards the being aggressive side myself. But, I can see where it's a very fine line.

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 09:43 AM

 

Not sure where to bring this up but... Chih-Wei Hu's fastball in limited MLB appearances was an average of 93 mph, why am I thinking on of the knocks on him when traded for Jepsen was his fastball velocity was below average?

 

He was touching 96 before the trade. There were no knocks on Hu at that time. They knew that they were giving up someone with a future when they dealt him. That's the "danger" of being a buyer at the trade deadline. You're going to give something up to get something. And Jepsen helped the Twins a ton down the stretch in 2015. But Hu was being a bunch of guys on the Twins prospect rankings already back then, a mid-teens type of prospect. The Rays have moved him to the bullpen too now. 


#35 Seth Stohs

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 09:45 AM

 

Randy Rosario? Any thoughts on him? I haven't checked his stats since he was optioned back to the Lookouts. Maybe he's young enough that a little more AA time wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

 

That was my thought. I figured that with Reed and Melotakis already moving up, and me supporting Bard and Curtiss moving up, Rosario can stay in AA for now. I think it's a good thing. He started the year in Ft. Myers, and he's young, so no worries. I'd push the older guys (who also have upside). 

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#36 Seth Stohs

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 09:46 AM

 

To make room for all this movement, several (5, 6?) folks at Rochester need to simply be let go --- or a mix of folks -- a couple from each of three or four teams.  I'm wondering who those folks are.  It can't be just the fringes of each team's roster, that won't provide the necessary playing time.

 

I would expect there would be some releases, some mysterious DL placement, but not just at Rochester, also at some of the lower levels as well. 

 

Several players in Extended Spring were released yesterday, and I'm sure we'll hear of more as well.


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Posted 20 June 2017 - 09:59 AM

Great post. Thanks!

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 10:02 AM

 

To make room for all this movement, several (5, 6?) folks at Rochester need to simply be let go --- or a mix of folks -- a couple from each of three or four teams.  I'm wondering who those folks are.  It can't be just the fringes of each team's roster, that won't provide the necessary playing time.

There two players on the Rochester roster who have an OPS of >=.800. That would be Mitch Garver & Zach Granite. There are two players who have a batting average of >=.265. That would be Granite and Matt Hague.

Seven players are 27 years old or older.

Now I realize selecting a BA of .265 is arbitrary, but few would expect a guy hitting .265 in AAA to hit better than .240 in MLB. That is a BA that most teams are unlikely to find helpful.

 

Yes, I agree that there are players who could be trimmed from AAA.

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 10:31 AM

Wimmers, Turley, and Haley. There's three guys who could come off the 25 man and 40 man. All are terrible. 

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 11:18 AM

I would be concerned about Wade's ability to hit with hard contact as shown by his ISO. As compared to Grossman's time in AA it is much lower.

The Twins have much better data to look at for barrels and hard contact. Maybe most of his hard contact is directly at fielders and his low ISO is a poor indicator. He won't walk in the majors if he doesn't hit the ball with some authority. Major league pitchers will pitch to his weaker contact and his walk rate will drop considerably.

While he is in AA, he needs to be more aggressive attacking pitches that he can drive. Without recognition of pitches that he can drive, it will be hard to be successful in the majors.



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