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#1 kab21

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Posted 03 June 2017 - 06:01 PM

There has already been rumored interest in D Rose as a FA and now the Knicks are back with another attempt to acquire Rubio (for the 8th pick). If the Wolves trade Rubio in order to sign Rose then I will be very unhappy.

 

I am one of the bigger Rubio supporters and don't really like the trade since it could set the Wolves back several games this season and I hate continual rebuilding. I also really question whether or not Dunn or Jones are capable starting PG's. 

 

Two possible scenarios where it could make sense.

 

1) there is a second trade in the works and the Wolves need more draft picks to pull off the addition of a very good to near elite player.

 

2) They draft 3 and D Ntilikina (or a different PG in this PG heavy draft) and he provides a better fit for the future. And the Wolves already face the uncertainty of what to do with Rubio in two years when he becomes a FA. Sign him for 15-20M and 4+ years with his health? I might like Rubio a lot but that seems like a bad idea. It would be a gamble to draft another PG but I could understand taking a step back this year and really loading up for KAT/Wiggins prime.

BUT NO D ROSE!

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Posted 05 June 2017 - 08:53 AM

The other rumor is moving out of the seven pick for a veteran, which seems counterintuitive to moving Rubio for the 8th pick.

 

I love Rubio, but I don't mind him for the 8th pick. Like you said though, you're essentially moving Rubio to grab a guy who will then compete with Dunn and even Jones to see who the PG of the future is while Rubio's money goes to signing a short-term veteran, which seems to be Derrick Rose and the giant fork sticking out of his back.


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Posted 09 June 2017 - 02:13 PM

Not directly a Wolves rumor, but reports of Gordon Hayward's interest in the Celtics and the Heat are good news. More good players need to go from the West to the East, as it's seemingly always the other way around.


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Posted 09 June 2017 - 08:23 PM

 

The other rumor is moving out of the seven pick for a veteran, which seems counterintuitive to moving Rubio for the 8th pick.

 

I love Rubio, but I don't mind him for the 8th pick. Like you said though, you're essentially moving Rubio to grab a guy who will then compete with Dunn and even Jones to see who the PG of the future is while Rubio's money goes to signing a short-term veteran, which seems to be Derrick Rose and the giant fork sticking out of his back.

The thing I don't like about trading Rubio (and it was a Knicks interest led rumor) is that it makes the Wolves worse next year and the clock has started to tick with regards to the young core. The gamble could pay off and the Wolves might take that money and sign a top FA (with the rest of the cap room) and one of the 3 PG's (Dunn, Jones and the drafted one) could become as good as Rubio but there is downside risk.

 

 

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Posted 11 June 2017 - 06:19 PM

iI think the team has about 20 million in cap room. So do they oerpay for a restricted free agent. Does an Otto Porter or Caldwell Pope make the Wolves a 50 win team?11 players under contract plus Peckovic.12 if the renew Shabazz. 

The only way I think Rubio should be traded to the Knicks is packages with the 7th pick for Porzingis. That is not going to happen unless a Kahn do type GM takes over to dismantle the team and do a Hinske.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 12:14 AM

Not Wolves related but I love the Philly/Boston trade.

 

Boston really had no use for Fultz with Thomas and a full backcourt of undersized guards. Getting a second likely lottery pick (LAL or SAC) is a major win for them just to move down and likely get a guy that fits their team much better.

 

Philly's side is more risky but they have oodles of young players with talent and Fultz might be the perfect fit for the team.

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 12:43 AM

Jimmy Butler rumors again this season. Hopefully this goes somewhere. I would give up 2 or possibly 3 of anyone not named Andrew or Karl to make this happen.

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 11:56 AM

 

Jimmy Butler rumors again this season. Hopefully this goes somewhere. I would give up 2 or possibly 3 of anyone not named Andrew or Karl to make this happen.

I would gladly give up Kris Dunn and the pick, but I want to hold on to LaVine. 


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Posted 20 June 2017 - 12:31 PM

I think you guys are possibly off a bit...with the celtics and all their picks, and the cavs, bothafter him, it will absolutely take Wiggins to be in that mix.

 

http://www.startribu...tler/429652783/

 

Wiggins is good with promise, but he has been very one dimensional in his 3 years with the wolves...

 

The article suggests it will take Wiggins the #1 and Dunn...wow, what a steep price.

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 03:29 PM

Canis had an interesting thought in their trade for superstars article, which amounts to do the Wolves become the Kevin Love facilitator to bring Paul George to Cleveland?


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Posted 21 June 2017 - 12:12 PM

Pek waived. On one hand it's sad. On the other, that potentially opens up a lot of cap space.


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Posted 21 June 2017 - 11:51 PM

 

Canis had an interesting thought in their trade for superstars article, which amounts to do the Wolves become the Kevin Love facilitator to bring Paul George to Cleveland?

Dieng (would assume it has to include him) and the #1 for Love? One of Dunn or Jones also probably. It wouldn't fix the defense but would give the Wolves a great offense and they could actually shoot some threes.

 

I would gladly give up Kris Dunn and the pick, but I want to hold on to LaVine. 

Lavine is nice but I don't let him stand in the way of acquiring a much better (near elite) two way player. The problem with the trade is that the Wolves would have virtually no bench (Jones and Bjelica) but they would have plenty of cap room to add two role players.

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 01:02 PM

Tom Thibodeau talks to Ricky Rubio about the brewing trade rumors.1311059.jpg?b64lines=Umlja3kgUlVCSU8sIEk

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 02:17 PM

The Wolves are also showing interest in Paul George. Wow. It would more than likely be for just the 1 year, but that would be fun to watch. I wonder if #7 plus Kris Dunn be enough.


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Posted 22 June 2017 - 05:56 PM

Just say on ESPN that the Jimmy Butler and Chi's pick is going to the Twolves for Lavine and the 7th pick, pending league approval.

 

Edit: now seeing Dunn is included as well.  

 

Link.

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 06:05 PM

Absolute bloody steal for the T Pups.

Lavine is NOT a good player, anyone can shoot 30 shots a game in this league.

Butler under Thibs is legitimately a top 5 player in the NBA.

Dunn, sucks to lose him, but whatever.

KAT, Butler, Wiggins, Rubio, Dieng....that's a really nice starting 5.

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 06:27 PM

That's a fancy move.
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#18 ALessKosherScott

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 06:42 PM

That's a "We're not going another year without making the playoffs" move.
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#19 ALessKosherScott

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 06:56 PM

Who's 16? Leaf? Anouby? Jackson?

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 07:10 PM

Not a big basketball follower, however Butler sounds like a guy you give up the farm for. Even better if they don't have to include Wiggins in the deal. The Wolves may finally become relevant again....