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Berrios Love Thread/Time for the Twins to push their chips in?

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#81 drjim

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 07:47 PM

Small point but there's been talk of trading for Darvish. Why would Texas do that? They're good.
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#82 kab21

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 08:39 PM

 

Twins should trade Stewart, Santiago, and Grossman to the Rangers for Darvish

This probably won't work since the Twins don't have Duensing anymore.

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Is 2016 2017 the year that a good pitching prospect is truly blocked by 5 good pitchers in the starting rotation? 

Looks like we will have to wait another year until a good pitching prospect is actually blocked.


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Posted 20 May 2017 - 07:46 AM

I wasn't saying it was a good thing or bad thing, just kinda interesting.

Even without Berrios I think the Twins have shown they can "compete" for a playoff spot.

I'm not saying to go "all in" and give up the farm for Darvish. But aim to bring on a couple solid RP and maybe a legit mid rotation guy as well.

I think you could acquire all three without giving up more than 2 of your top 15 prospects (6-15 range)

Dave, would you want to bring up Burdi first just to see if the answer is here?

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Posted 20 May 2017 - 07:47 AM

Small point but there's been talk of trading for Darvish. Why would Texas do that? They're good.

Texas will likely fall out of the race, also Darvish will fetch a kings ransom.

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#85 DaveW

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Posted 20 May 2017 - 07:50 AM

Dave, would you want to bring up Burdi first just to see if the answer is here?

The Twins aren't just one RP away IMO. They are at LEAST two.

Bring up Burdi, yes, but still work on upgrading some of the rest of the pen.

Can't have enough solid arms. Duffey, Kintzler and Rodgers are the only ones I sorta trust at this stage, plenty of room for upgrades.

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Posted 20 May 2017 - 07:53 AM

The Twins aren't just one RP away IMO. They are at LEAST two.

Bring up Burdi, yes, but still work on upgrading some of the rest of the pen.

Can't have enough solid arms. Duffey, Kintzler and Rodgers are the only ones I sorta trust at this stage, plenty of room for upgrades.

This is probably a more realistic approach to improvement this year than trading for a starter.

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Posted 20 May 2017 - 07:58 AM

Texas will likely fall out of the race, also Darvish will fetch a kings ransom.


Texas is much more likely to stay in the race. They're a pretty good squad.
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#88 DaveW

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Posted 20 May 2017 - 08:15 AM

Texas is much more likely to stay in the race. They're a pretty good squad.

Agree to disagree.

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Posted 20 May 2017 - 08:19 AM

 

This is probably a more realistic approach to improvement this year than trading for a starter.

I can give Hughes and the revolving door at #5 another month but I wouldn't mind trading a non-prospect for someone like Clayton Richard. Nothing special but right now Mejia and Hughes are the only hopes at those two spots and that doesn't even take an injury to the 1/2/3 into account.

The bullpen needs more arms but I want to see someone from Burdi, Melotakis, Bard, Hildenberger, Busenitz up with the team instead of Breslow or Belisle. Maybe they aren't ready but they are 26 (except for Burdi). Start them out in low leverage situations and see if they take off. 

 

The point is that the bullpen at least has potential improvement in the minors. The SP cupboard is bare for the near future aside from Mejia.

Is 2016 2017 the year that a good pitching prospect is truly blocked by 5 good pitchers in the starting rotation? 

Looks like we will have to wait another year until a good pitching prospect is actually blocked.


#90 DaveW

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Posted 20 May 2017 - 08:20 AM

This is probably a more realistic approach to improvement this year than trading for a starter.

I'd do both. It's not like a guy like Richard or the like is going to take a whole lot to get. Just send over a guy who is a 20-30 prospect and maybe a PTBNL.

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#91 DaveW

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Posted 20 May 2017 - 08:22 AM

I can give Hughes and the revolving door at #5 another month but I wouldn't mind trading a non-prospect for someone like Clayton Richard. Nothing special but right now Mejia and Hughes are the only hopes at those two spots and that doesn't even take an injury to the 1/2/3 into account.

The bullpen needs more arms but I want to see someone from Burdi, Melotakis, Bard, Hildenberger, Busenitz up with the team instead of Breslow or Belisle. Maybe they aren't ready but they are 26 (except for Burdi). Start them out in low leverage situations and see if they take off.

The point is that the bullpen at least has potential improvement in the minors. The SP cupboard is bare for the near future aside from Mejia.


Yeah Hughes and Mejia could be ok. But the reality is likely one will either fail or get injured (ditto with santiago).

A guy like Richard would help stabilize things immensely. (And even opens up the possibility of Hughes to the pen eventually?)
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Posted 20 May 2017 - 11:37 AM

 

If Berrios is this good then we need to see more of Tepesch because he is better than Berrios.

BRING TEPESCH BACK!

Since when?


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Posted 20 May 2017 - 08:28 PM

Since when?

I think it was meant as gentle mocking of others.

 

Which as we see here can backfire. :)

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Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?


#94 kab21

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Posted 21 May 2017 - 06:14 AM

 

Since when?

Yes, I thought it sounded crazy also but if you selectively use statistics it will make perfect sense.

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Is 2016 2017 the year that a good pitching prospect is truly blocked by 5 good pitchers in the starting rotation? 

Looks like we will have to wait another year until a good pitching prospect is actually blocked.


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Posted 21 May 2017 - 10:04 AM

Neshek could be had from Philly and wont cost too much. As far as a starter is concerned i can wait if Berrios is gonna be good. I think aquiring 1 reliever and bringing 1 up is the best route. 1 for high leverage and 1 for low leverage and get experience. Pressley and Belisle are pitching better of late.