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#21 jimbo92107

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Posted 15 May 2017 - 08:47 PM

At least Rowson noticed that Buxton wasn't striding forward. Did you know that the follow through with your feet should look a lot like a pitcher's follow through with his feet? That is, your rear foot must carry through, just as a pitcher's foot must come off the rubber. Otherwise, you cannot generate the kind of power we see from hitters like Bryce Harper, whose back knee winds up behind his front knee. That's how you know Harper is driving off his back foot. That's why the ball goes so far. You have to generate movement into the pitch. You can't just twist your body and keep your feet planted. 

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#22 Mike Sixel

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Posted 16 May 2017 - 08:47 AM

KLAW just ranked Buxton the 8th best player under 25 in the majors based on his super high floor, and if he can hit the even higher ceiling. 

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#23 akmanak

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Posted 16 May 2017 - 10:52 AM

KLAW just ranked Buxton the 8th best player under 25 in the majors based on his super high floor, and if he can hit the even higher ceiling.



What am I missing with this guy? He cant hit, he can't layoff off the outside pitch,and he has no patience at the plate.

I have no problem admitting when I am wrong, but how long do you actually wait on this guy before you realize that he cant get it together.

He has shown glimpses of being able to bat, but it is only 17% of the time.

#24 Mike Sixel

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Posted 16 May 2017 - 11:00 AM

 

What am I missing with this guy? He cant hit, he can't layoff off the outside pitch,and he has no patience at the plate.

I have no problem admitting when I am wrong, but how long do you actually wait on this guy before you realize that he cant get it together.

He has shown glimpses of being able to bat, but it is only 17% of the time.

 

years of HS and minor league success that indicate what he's done in the majors may not be who he will be when he's older than 22, I'd guess.

 

Elite CF defense also.

I don't know, it is a site to discuss sports, not airline safety.....maybe we should take it less seriously?


#25 DaveW

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Posted 16 May 2017 - 11:04 AM

In a different thread, I disputed DaveW's assertion that Buxton was guilty of overthinking, but this article lays it out pretty plainly in Buxton's own words that he has been. Props to Dave.

His body language and constant small tinkering/frustration reminded me of a guy I played with in a wood bat league a few years ago. Talented no doubt, but went on a cold streak the likes of which I have never seen.

45 PA
2 walks
0 hits
About 35-38 strike outs

Towards the end he would spend an entire hour car drive to the fields talking about how he "figured out what he was doing wrong" like the most minute crap ever (elbow wrong angle, etc etc) he bought Ted Williams books and a few more to "diagnose" the probelm. Finally our "coach" who's pregame conditioning before pitching typically involved about a dozen beers until 4am the night before a game basically told him to STFU and just work on making contact.

It took a few more games but it finally paid off.

Some people when they struggle tend to think too much, and really the solution there is take it back to the basics: see ball, hit ball. Once you can do that again, then you can start tweaking things again.

Edited by DaveW, 16 May 2017 - 11:04 AM.

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#26 DaveW

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Posted 17 May 2017 - 12:08 AM

Crappy game for the Twins tonight, but silver lining: Buxton hit a bomb.

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#27 HitInAPinch

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Posted 17 May 2017 - 01:26 AM

 

Crappy game for the Twins tonight, but silver lining: Buxton hit a bomb.

So, Buxton is great again, right?  :roll:

 

I really like this kid.  I think it's just a matter of time before he puts it all together.  DAMN THE STATS!!

 

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#28 DaveW

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Posted 17 May 2017 - 08:15 AM

So, Buxton is great again, right? :roll:

I really like this kid. I think it's just a matter of time before he puts it all together. DAMN THE STATS!!

I was never that worried about him. But it's nice to see him turn it around in May rather than July or August.
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#29 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 17 May 2017 - 08:20 AM

 

I was never that worried about him. But it's nice to see him turn it around in May rather than July or August.

Well, this is what I hope to see from Buxton. He's going to have his cold streaks as pitchers adjust to his adjustments. He's been striking out too much again over the past week so seeing him go 1-3 with a homer, sacrifice, and strikeout is something of a good sign.

 

What's going to kill Buxton is his 0-for-15 with eight strikeout stretches. If he can turn those cold streaks into 2-for-15 with one XBH and six strikeouts, that will go a long way toward making him a competent hitter.

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#30 Mike Sixel

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Posted 17 May 2017 - 08:27 AM

Sacrifice bunts in inning 2 suck. Suck. Really suck. Was he really sacrificing?

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Posted 17 May 2017 - 08:35 AM

What's going to kill Buxton is his 0-for-15 with eight strikeout stretches. If he can turn those cold streaks into 2-for-15 with one XBH and six strikeouts, that will go a long way toward making him a competent hitter.

For the Merry Month of May, he is batting a mediocre .233. Enough power to not call it an empty .233. But his OBP is... .233.

 

So I will offer a friendly amendment to your motion: Turn the 0-15's with 0 BB's and 8 K's into 0-9's with 6 BB's and 2 K's because I bet pitchers have decided again not to throw him strikes and he's apparently been getting himself out again. Oh, and sure, your scratch single and a hustle double instead of the ofer is a good idea too. 2-9 with 6 BB will adjust those pitchers' attitudes nicely.

 

If he's getting boocoo strikes thrown to him and not capitalizing, that's a very bad and different situation I have no advice for. :) The recent homer is a hopeful sign.

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Posted 17 May 2017 - 08:58 AM

 

Agreed. Lots of good words from him there that make  you feel a lot better about him as a leader. So much of what a manager does is not visible to us (like in game decisions are).

Which is why I and I assume most like Molitor as a coach, however as a manager he makes some decisions that are questionable.  However, this season seems different.  I don't know if there is a plan in place set up by the front office on how they would like things done, now or what, but it is working somewhat.  Maybe he has learned to manage better.  

 

Either way, I would listen to what Molitor says when it comes to hitting and base running because there aren't many who were better at the two than him.


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Posted 17 May 2017 - 09:06 AM

 

Which is why I and I assume most like Molitor as a coach, however as a manager he makes some decisions that are questionable.  However, this season seems different.  I don't know if there is a plan in place set up by the front office on how they would like things done, now or what, but it is working somewhat.  Maybe he has learned to manage better. 

I suspect that Molitor, like the other coaches, is being given more quality information from the front office. We've always known Paul is a smart baseball guy but he's not a modern front office guy. He has neither the time nor ability to crunch numbers and follow cutting edge trends in the game. Someone needs to provide him that information and I suspect the new front office is doing a much better job of getting him what he needs.

 

Though it's likely he's becoming a better manager as well, I simply think most of the philosophy change is information-driven. In a recent article from MLB, Allen talked about the new information being given him and how it helps him do his job. It's reasonable to think Molitor is getting similar information to better help him do his job.

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Posted 17 May 2017 - 09:16 AM

 

What am I missing with this guy? He cant hit, he can't layoff off the outside pitch,and he has no patience at the plate.

 

His fist 15 games - .082/.135/.257 46% k-rate, 3% walk rate.

His last 16 games - .265/.357/.388 25% k-rate, 12.5% walk rate.

 

He'll be fine.

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Posted 17 May 2017 - 09:29 AM

 

I suspect that Molitor, like the other coaches, is being given more quality information from the front office. We've always known Paul is a smart baseball guy but he's not a modern front office guy. He has neither the time nor ability to crunch numbers and follow cutting edge trends in the game. Someone needs to provide him that information and I suspect the new front office is doing a much better job of getting him what he needs.

 

Though it's likely he's becoming a better manager as well, I simply think most of the philosophy change is information-driven. In a recent article from MLB, Allen talked about the new information being given him and how it helps him do his job. It's reasonable to think Molitor is getting similar information to better help him do his job.

I agree.  And I saw that article as well.  It was mindblowing to me the lack of information they received prior to this year.  7-10 days scouting report is all they got and the detail wasn't very informative either. 

 

That being said, I think you are right it probably is a combination of data and becoming better.

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Posted 17 May 2017 - 09:30 AM

 

His fist 15 games - .082/.135/.257 46% k-rate, 3% walk rate.

His last 16 games - .265/.357/.388 25% k-rate, 12.5% walk rate.

 

He'll be fine.

I think his last 16 games is his true self.  With his Defense and that slashline for a season, that's All-Star.

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Posted 17 May 2017 - 10:54 AM

Even Colon hit a homerun. Him going 1 for 3 is a positive sign, but he has done this before only to go 0 for 12.

I want this guy to do well, again I just dont see it. I hope I am wrong.

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Posted 17 May 2017 - 11:00 AM

 

Even Colon hit a homerun. Him going 1 for 3 is a positive sign, but he has done this before only to go 0 for 12.

I want this guy to do well, again I just dont see it. I hope I am wrong.

Are you implying that is rare???


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Posted 18 May 2017 - 03:19 PM

So I will offer a friendly amendment to your motion: Turn the 0-15's with 0 BB's and 8 K's into 0-9's with 6 BB's and 2 K's because I bet pitchers have decided again not to throw him strikes and he's apparently been getting himself out again. Oh, and sure, your scratch single and a hustle double instead of the ofer is a good idea too. 2-9 with 6 BB will adjust those pitchers' attitudes nicely.

It's only one game, but this afternoon he went 1-for 2 with 2 BB.

 

Obviously he reads Twins Daily. He didn't even have the courtesy to drop you and me a note of thanks (you for the hit, me for the walks) for the kindly advice. :)

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Posted 18 May 2017 - 06:11 PM

It's only one game, but this afternoon he went 1-for 2 with 2 BB.

Obviously he reads Twins Daily. He didn't even have the courtesy to drop you and me a note of thanks (you for the hit, me for the walks) for the kindly advice. :)

Nice to see him turning it around. If he gets to .750 ops this year I will change my hicks tracker to a Buxton tacked.

I know Molly might be tempted to move him up the lineup. But I would wait for awhile before doing that iMo.
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