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#41 spycake

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Posted 09 May 2017 - 05:40 AM

He was just traded for the 3rd worst player in baseball over the last two years ... and the Braves had to throw in cash to get the deal done.


To be fair, I suspect the cash is roughly the equivalent of the waiver fee.
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Posted 09 May 2017 - 06:19 AM

It also may have been an easy way to end the distraction of someone hanging around waiting to see what happens.  

 

I wonder if a player would prefer to be traded to a team he may not have chosen, or released to sit in limbo and hope for offers from places he'd like to be.  Depends on the situation, I suppose.


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Posted 09 May 2017 - 06:28 AM

 

To be fair, I suspect the cash is roughly the equivalent of the waiver fee.

Yeah. What is the waiver fee, something like $20k?


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Posted 09 May 2017 - 06:32 AM

 

Chapman was available to us twice on waivers back in March. The second time he cleared completely, which is why Atlanta was able to outright him off their 40-man.

True, but in reality Chapman's value rises a bit if he's off the 40 man. He's the kind of guy who you don't mind having in the org should he figure it out or the bullpen collapse but you don't want him clogging up your 40-man.

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Posted 09 May 2017 - 06:59 AM

Hopefully we don't see Chapman pitching for the Twins. I'm not hating on the trade, bc the best part is getting Santana off the roster, but if anything I view Chapman as decent AAA depth for when we start cutting more BP guys and calling up more and more from AA and AAA
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<p>Aaron Hicks 2017 stats so far (5/17/17): .326 BA .464 OBP .616 SLG 1.080 OPS 7 HR 19 RBI 6 SB 22 BBs 1.8WAR

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Posted 09 May 2017 - 07:37 AM

It also may have been an easy way to end the distraction of someone hanging around waiting to see what happens.  

 

I wonder if a player would prefer to be traded to a team he may not have chosen, or released to sit in limbo and hope for offers from places he'd like to be.  Depends on the situation, I suppose.

DFA for someone like DanSan probably is for demotion to Rochester, not formal release. To address your question though, probably being taken in trade by another team is preferable. He continues to collect that sweet major league dough, plus service time toward a pension.

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A mistake made more than once starts to look like a decision.


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Posted 09 May 2017 - 07:46 AM

Good luck to D Santana. This should hopefully work out for both parties. D San gets a fresh start, and the Twins take away Molitor's temptation of finding a way to play him. 

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Posted 09 May 2017 - 07:47 AM

I was hoping his name was Aroldis.

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Posted 09 May 2017 - 07:56 AM

 

True, but in reality Chapman's value rises a bit if he's off the 40 man. He's the kind of guy who you don't mind having in the org should he figure it out or the bullpen collapse but you don't want him clogging up your 40-man.

True -- but it worries me because this front office has thus far shown a tendency to clog the roster with these types of pitchers.  And they've got an open 40-man spot to play with now...

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Posted 09 May 2017 - 08:09 AM

 

So is the free 40-man spot gonna go to Park?

Park is still on the DL at AAA.  With Vargas and Grossman doing well, I don't see an opening for him in MLB either.  Guessing it's a bit premature to think about holding a 40-man spot open for him, they will need a 25-man spot for him too and I'm guessing that will only come if there is an injury.

 

I suspect the next 40-man addition would be a relief pitcher, like Baxendale, Hildenberger, Turley, etc.  Or even Chapman.


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Posted 09 May 2017 - 08:20 AM

 

True -- but it worries me because this front office has thus far shown a tendency to clog the roster with these types of pitchers.  And they've got an open 40-man spot to play with now...

Yeah, it's a bit of a concern but with Melotakis holding his own in Chattanooga and Jay doing well in Ft Myers, I can't see why the front office would be in any kind of rush to get Chapman on the 40-man.

 

If he was a righty, I'd be a bit more wary but the Twins haven't lacked in LHP options out of the pen.


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Posted 09 May 2017 - 08:23 AM

 

I don't think he'll become Hicks, but I do think he has a future in MLB.  I see him being a somewhat valuable role player for an NL team down the road.  I don't think he's a good fit with the Twins but again I don't think he's total garbage. 

 

Chapman, on the other hand...well I'm guessing we'll see him sooner or later!

I think Santana could be a valuable role player, if his role is pinch runner. And emergency injury replacement.


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Posted 09 May 2017 - 08:27 AM

True, but in reality Chapman's value rises a bit if he's off the 40 man. He's the kind of guy who you don't mind having in the org should he figure it out or the bullpen collapse but you don't want him clogging up your 40-man.

The good news is that experience has shown it's not difficult to obtain waivers if you want to remove him. :)

 

(I know, he can refuse a second demotion to the minors and elect free agency instead.)

A mistake made more than once starts to look like a decision.


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Posted 09 May 2017 - 08:29 AM

 

The good news is that experience has shown it's not difficult to obtain waivers if you want to remove him. :)

 

(I know, he can refuse a second demotion to the minors and elect free agency instead.)

Maybe. Probably. But I believe Chapman was moved off the 40-man during the time when it's least likely a player will be claimed (March-April).

 

Once the season gets rolling and injuries happen, it's harder to get a guy through waivers.


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Posted 09 May 2017 - 08:29 AM

Yeah, it's a bit of a concern but with Melotakis holding his own in Chattanooga and Jay doing well in Ft Myers, ..

Jay hasn't pitched in a game yet. Were you thinking of Burdi, also in Chattanooga?

A mistake made more than once starts to look like a decision.


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Posted 09 May 2017 - 08:30 AM

 

Jay hasn't pitched in a game yet. Were you thinking of Burdi, also in Chattanooga?

I forgot Jay hasn't pitched yet. Didn't consider Burdi because he's a RHP.


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Posted 09 May 2017 - 08:30 AM

Maybe. Probably. But I believe Chapman was moved off the 40-man during the time when it's least likely a player will be claimed (March-April).

 

Once the season gets rolling and injuries happen, it's harder to get a guy through waivers.

Implicit in my parenthetical comment was a question I intended to ask: do waivers transfer over for the rest of the season, after a trade? I.e. does the waiver pertain to the player, or to the team, once granted?

A mistake made more than once starts to look like a decision.


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Posted 09 May 2017 - 08:31 AM

 

Implicit in my parenthetical comment was a question: do waivers transfer over for the rest of the season, after a trade? I.e. does the waiver pertain to the player, or to the team, when asked?

I think it's the player but now that you ask the question, I'm not sure.


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Posted 09 May 2017 - 08:37 AM

You roll the dice, you take your chance... Getting anything for DanSan is a win, imo. Next up, Tonkin.

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Posted 09 May 2017 - 08:47 AM

One interesting stat: Chapman's strikeouts well outnumbered his innings pitched at every stop in the minors. Every single one. Cumulatively he had 441 strikeouts in 352 innings, with 185 walks.

 

That surprised me. His major league numbers are a mess, and make him look like a soft tosser with poor control.

 

I know, anyone can strike people out in the low minors. But I had assumed he was utterly worthless. His team had to have totally given up on him, to swap him for someone whose team had totally given up on him, too.

 

But the fact is people kept giving him shots in the majors. So they thought he had potential once. Do I expect anything? Of course not. The goal was to vacate a roster spot on the 40 man, and this guy doesn't need one, so that's his main value. And I'm fine with that.

 

But I just had a tiny little glimmer of interest, reading those stats. And who knows. Sometimes a coach sees something other guys missed, and something clicks. Santana never had good plate discipline even when he was hitting, and those things rarely click later. I don't think he'll improve. But you never know with pitchers.

 

As long as he doesn't block a real prospect, what have you got to lose? So, better than I expected!

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