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Article: Duffey Presents Pleasant Dilemma For Twins

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#61 Doomtints

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 08:53 AM

 

2015, in my opinion, is simply proof that we shouldn't write him off as a starter... 

 

But he is pretty darn good as a reliever so far, so why are you writing him off as a reliever?

 

There's a false premise here that starters > relievers. Good relievers are a huge asset.

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 09:09 AM

 

In 2015 he was pitching after the roster expansion, no? So against a mix of AAA and major league players?

Not really, the roster expansion is rarely a stark dividing line for most teams and positions.  Duffey faced pretty much regular lineups over his 10 starts that year.

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 09:42 AM

 

Not really, the roster expansion is rarely a stark dividing line for most teams and positions.  Duffey faced pretty much regular lineups over his 10 starts that year.

But the point that should be made about this is that Duffey was a solid MiLB'er that came almost out of nowhere and teams didn't have great scouting reports like Brock says.

 

They came back in 2016 with that information and Duffey couldn't adjust. It doesn't really matter if he has two different curveballs and even a changeup if hitters don't respect his fastball.

 

I don't think it is set in stone that he can't succeed as a starter but all signs point to his pitch repertoire being much better suited to the bullpen. If what people say is true (smarter than I about pitching) then I don't see much reason to stretch him out and risk not getting anything out of him. At this point in his career I want to get something out of him instead of him being cut due to another lackluster year.

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Is 2016 2017 the year that a good pitching prospect is truly blocked by 5 good pitchers in the starting rotation? 

Looks like we will have to wait another year until a good pitching prospect is actually blocked.


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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:36 AM

 

But the point that should be made about this is that Duffey was a solid MiLB'er that came almost out of nowhere and teams didn't have great scouting reports like Brock says.

I don't know if I'd say he came out of nowhere.  It's not like he skipped the upper minors or came straight from Cuba or Japan.

 

His worst start that year was his MLB debut.  His last two starts that year were against teams he previously faced, and he did just fine.  Neither of those facts fit neatly into a "lack of scouting report" theory.  He also started 2016 with 4 solid starts in MLB, 3 of which came against teams he previously faced in 2015 (with 2 of those coming against the teams he faced twice in 2015).

 

It's worth noting that Duffey was dealing in 2015, minors and majors, to an extent that he had never done previously or since.  Even before his MLB debut, his 2015 minor league marks of 0.1 HR/9, 7.8 H/9, and 8.0 K/9 were all career bests.

 

I suspect that, like many other players, he has difficulty executing and repeating his best approach.  I'd like to see him get a bit more of a chance to try as a starter, although I am certainly not closing the book on him in relief -- he's 26 years old with 2 option years left, there is plenty of time to get back to a relief role if need be.

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:58 AM

 

I don't know if I'd say he came out of nowhere.  It's not like he skipped the upper minors or came straight from Cuba or Japan.

 

His worst start that year was his MLB debut.  His last two starts that year were against teams he previously faced, and he did just fine.  Neither of those facts fit neatly into a "lack of scouting report" theory.  He also started 2016 with 4 solid starts in MLB, 3 of which came against teams he previously faced in 2015 (with 2 of those coming against the teams he faced twice in 2015).

 

It's worth noting that Duffey was dealing in 2015, minors and majors, to an extent that he had never done previously or since.  Even before his MLB debut, his 2015 minor league marks of 0.1 HR/9, 7.8 H/9, and 8.0 K/9 were all career bests.

 

I suspect that, like many other players, he has difficulty executing and repeating his best approach.  I'd like to see him get a bit more of a chance to try as a starter, although I am certainly not closing the book on him in relief -- he's 26 years old with 2 option years left, there is plenty of time to get back to a relief role if need be.

He was nowhere near a top 100 list and was outside of Sickels' top 20 (but a sleeper alert). #20 at Twinkie Town and #16 on this site. That is pretty much out of nowhere for prospects during a season. The amount of information distributed to hitters was exponentially better the following season after he had 10 great starts and was getting talked about.

Is 2016 2017 the year that a good pitching prospect is truly blocked by 5 good pitchers in the starting rotation? 

Looks like we will have to wait another year until a good pitching prospect is actually blocked.


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Posted 21 April 2017 - 11:07 AM

 

He was nowhere near a top 100 list and was outside of Sickels' top 20 (but a sleeper alert). #20 at Twinkie Town and #16 on this site. That is pretty much out of nowhere for prospects during a season. The amount of information distributed to hitters was exponentially better the following season after he had 10 great starts and was getting talked about.

I am sure there was some more/better info and video later, but I'm not sure it's that huge of a difference in modern MLB.  It might be a factor, but it might be a fairly minor one compared to the larger simple variances in player's approach/execution.


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Posted 21 April 2017 - 08:05 PM

 

But the point that should be made about this is that Duffey was a solid MiLB'er that came almost out of nowhere and teams didn't have great scouting reports like Brock says.

 

They came back in 2016 with that information and Duffey couldn't adjust. It doesn't really matter if he has two different curveballs and even a changeup if hitters don't respect his fastball.

IF this were true how could he be good in the pen?


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Posted 22 April 2017 - 01:05 AM

 

IF this were true how could he be good in the pen?

They only see him once/game and his fastball is 1.7 mph faster this year and might be an okay pitch now. It is quite common for starters with limited pitches and mediocre fastballs to become very good in the bullpen. For example Glen Perkins.

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Is 2016 2017 the year that a good pitching prospect is truly blocked by 5 good pitchers in the starting rotation? 

Looks like we will have to wait another year until a good pitching prospect is actually blocked.


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Posted 01 May 2017 - 10:04 AM

A decision on Duffy is coming sooner than we think. Gibson is a mess, Mejia is in AAA and Hughes has a 5.06 ERA to go with this 4-1 record as he becomes a "veteran junk baller". We may need Duffy more as a starter this year with May out all season. We need to find at least 3 starters. Berrios could be one, maybe Mejhia after a little AAA tuneup, and ????. Santiago is a free agent after this season and some here want to trade him in July. If he goies, we definitely need 3 and maybe 4 (Hughes might be able to hold on as a 4/5, but Gibson looks done). The AAA roster doesn't seem to have another real strong candidate. I like Dufffy in the pen but i think circumstances are going to force the team's hand into putting him back into the rotation.  




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