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#41 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 04:28 PM

 

The goose egg is as relevant to how good a relief pitcher as wins are to a starting pitcher.

If that was true, the graph compared to WPA wouldn't look like this:

 

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 04:57 PM

That's absolutely because of the save stat. What else would it be? Why do managers call out their closer with a three run lead but not a four run lead? Why is it almost always three outs? Why is it always the ninth inning?

The save stat (and Tony LaRussa) created the modern closer. I don't see how that's even in dispute here. Baseball has been chasing a stat for 30 years.


The save stat created that role for sure, but my argument is teams are moving away from it. For example, there is really no difference between 3 and 4 anymore.

There are still relatively locked in roles, but that is not because of the save stat.
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#43 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 05:01 PM

The save stat created that role for sure, but my argument is teams are moving away from it. For example, there is really no difference between 3 and 4 anymore.

There are still relatively locked in roles, but that is not because of the save stat.

There's a difference between three and four. I can't remember the last time I saw a closer enter the ninth with a four run lead unless it was a "this guy hasn't pitched in a week and needs some reps" situation. Yet that same pitcher comes out with a three run lead almost like clockwork.

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 08:24 PM

There's a difference between three and four. I can't remember the last time I saw a closer enter the ninth with a four run lead unless it was a "this guy hasn't pitched in a week and needs some reps" situation. Yet that same pitcher comes out with a three run lead almost like clockwork.


Cody Allen pitched the 9th with a 4 run lead vs. the Twins just yesterday.

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Posted 22 April 2017 - 10:36 AM

 

Cody Allen pitched the 9th with a 4 run lead vs. the Twins just yesterday.

Terry Francona is a special case. He seems to be taking the lead in changing how bullpens are managed and has become something of an anti-LaRussa.


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Posted 22 April 2017 - 12:14 PM

The article addresses this question-

 

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"The typical modern closer is really just a ninth-inning specialist"

 

 

Well, there's that.

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