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#121 Brandon Warne

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Posted 18 April 2017 - 04:51 PM

 

You surprise me Brandon.

 

Hicks has generated 2.4 WAR in his career. (this is his 5th year)

Rosario has generated 3.0 WAR in his career. (this is his 3rd year)

 

Maybe Hicks has tools that the others don't have, but I find it very hard to believe that at the end of their careers Rosario won't have much better numbers than Hicks.

 

I just like the offensive approach better. It's about tools instead of results for me. I agree that Rosario has played better, but I think he'll also get fewer chances in the modern MLB. 

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#122 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 18 April 2017 - 05:02 PM

 

I just like the offensive approach better. It's about tools instead of results for me. I agree that Rosario has played better, but I think he'll also get fewer chances in the modern MLB. 

Maybe that's the case but we're talking about a 25 year old with 875 MLB PAs and a .720 OPS versus a 27 year old with 1325 MLB PAs and a .655 OPS.

 

Aaron Hicks' chances of becoming better than Eddie Rosario are pretty slim, even if Rosario has some warts. Rosario has age, experience, and on-field performance on his side.

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#123 jaimedude2

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Posted 18 April 2017 - 05:18 PM

I just wish Danny Santana was no longer on the Twins roster. You have to be exceptionally good at something when you are really deficient as a hitter. Danny Santana does nothing exceptionally well. I am over him ever being anything other than a mediocre major league player. Wish the Twins would move on from him and give someone else the chances and opportunity he receives.

The Twins could use someone that could hit better than DSan.

Edited by jaimedude2, 18 April 2017 - 05:18 PM.

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#124 ashburyjohn

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Posted 18 April 2017 - 05:18 PM

Please keep in mind that I will arrive hungry.

Don't forget thirsty. I took a look at their wine selection.

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Posted 18 April 2017 - 06:00 PM

 

Maybe that's the case but we're talking about a 25 year old with 875 MLB PAs and a .720 OPS versus a 27 year old with 1325 MLB PAs and a .655 OPS.

 

Aaron Hicks' chances of becoming better than Eddie Rosario are pretty slim, even if Rosario has some warts. Rosario has age, experience, and on-field performance on his side.

 

Yeah, this isn't even all that close.


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 06:16 PM

 

Don't forget thirsty. I took a look at their wine selection.

I will be drinking kamikazes and walking/staggering home, hopefully in victory. This restaurant is about 1,500 feet from my house.


#127 old nurse

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Posted 18 April 2017 - 08:22 PM

Yet another thread on Hicks?Murphy. After 7 pages of a rehash of threads gone by it is no wonder the moderator has thoughts about kamikazes.

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#128 The Wise One

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 01:55 AM

What statistic people do not know. From fall 2014 on a prospect ranking page was their list of valuable players who were no longer prospect status butnot yet established...

Big League Growth Assets
1. Oswaldo Arcia, RF, Age 23
2. Eduardo Escobar, SS, Age 25
3. Josmil Pinto, C/DH, Age 25
4. Kennys Vargas, 1B/DH, Age 24
5. Danny Santana, UT, Age 23
6. Aaron Hicks, CF, Age 24

 

The return for the three no longer on the roster has been one minor league catcher.Santana would likely pass through waivers unless there is one GM who thinks they can recreate Santana's season of beating out bunts and infield hits. Vargas might net you a reliever, but not a good one.


#129 DaveW

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Posted 24 April 2017 - 11:23 PM

Weekly Hicks vs Murphy update:
Another Solid Week and another BOMB for Hicks this week: 

Overall:

Hicks .303/.455/.727 for a solid 1.182 OPS
Only 4 strike outs in 33 at bats. Not bad! He has as many Home Runs as strike outs!
10 walks! 4 HR.

Murphy's 2017 MLB line: .000/.000/.000 
Murphy's 2017 AAA line: .136/.240/.182 for a .422 OPS

Aaron Hicks 2017 WAR: 0.8
Murphys Career MLB War: 0.4

The Twins current OF:
Rosario 2017 WAR (negative) 0.2
Buxton 2017 WAR (negative) 0.2
Danny Santana 2017 WAR (negative) 0.1
Kepler 2017 WAR 0.8 (Imagine if we had another guy playing like Kepler!)

Thankfully we have some real nice 3rd catcher depth at AAA though!

Aaron Hicks 2017 stats so far (5/17/17): .326 BA .464 OBP .616 SLG 1.080 OPS  7 HR 19 RBI 6 SB 22 BBs 1.8WAR
 


#130 Han Joelo

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Posted 24 April 2017 - 11:53 PM

Where do I go for the weekly Jepsen vs. Hu updates?

 

Also, the Arcia vs. $$ update?

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#131 DaveW

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Posted 24 April 2017 - 11:59 PM

Hu got promoted to the majors today FWIW

Was the 7th best Rays prospect coming into this year.

I'd much rather have him in the rotation then Gibson, and he would look pretty nice right now for SP depth on a team that has zero.

Aaron Hicks 2017 stats so far (5/17/17): .326 BA .464 OBP .616 SLG 1.080 OPS  7 HR 19 RBI 6 SB 22 BBs 1.8WAR
 


#132 HitInAPinch

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 01:42 AM

 

Internet bets are stupid.  It's phony machismo.  As it was last year when you pimped how amazing Hicks would be too.  How'd that work out for you?

 

Hicks will settle back in around 600-650 OPS and be lucky to do it with a BA that cracks .230.  That's who he's been.  That's who he'll always be.  He can't hit.

Right up there with "So's your Mama!"  

 

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#133 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 05:31 AM

 

Weekly Hicks vs Murphy update:
Another Solid Week and another BOMB for Hicks this week: 

Overall:

Hicks .303/.455/.727 for a solid 1.182 OPS
Only 4 strike outs in 33 at bats. Not bad! He has as many Home Runs as strike outs!
10 walks! 4 HR.

Murphy's 2017 MLB line: .000/.000/.000 
Murphy's 2017 AAA line: .136/.240/.182 for a .422 OPS

Aaron Hicks 2017 WAR: 0.8
Murphys Career MLB War: 0.4

The Twins current OF:
Rosario 2017 WAR (negative) 0.2
Buxton 2017 WAR (negative) 0.2
Danny Santana 2017 WAR (negative) 0.1
Kepler 2017 WAR 0.8 (Imagine if we had another guy playing like Kepler!)

Thankfully we have some real nice 3rd catcher depth at AAA though!

Dave, I'm going to ask you a question and if I don't like the answer, I'm going to lock this thread.

What is the point of continuing this conversation?

The guy who made the trade isn't even in the organization anymore. You're harping on a past deal that was the fault of someone who was fired.

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#134 DaveW

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 06:29 AM

 

Dave, I'm going to ask you a question and if I don't like the answer, I'm going to lock this thread.

What is the point of continuing this conversation?

The guy who made the trade isn't even in the organization anymore. You're harping on a past deal that was the fault of someone who was fired.

Plenty of people rather high up in the org are still in the organization, so far this year, the "new" regime looks a whole lot like the old regime IMO. Same manager, the #2 FO guy is still around along with most of the scouts etc who likely gave info on this trade.

People bring up past signings, past trades, past whatever all the time! Hell, didn't you start a thread about Santana being a great pitcher? He was signed by the old regime, why bring that up?

Are we only allowed to talk about the "good" things that the old regime did? Additionally the Hicks trade debate has been going on for a year or so, it's interesting to follow and it's all in good fun (especially since Glunn and I have a friendly bet and everyone was telling me that there was no way Hicks could keep it up)

Additionally JR Murphy is still in the org, we have no real 4th OF, our starting CF has a .300 OPS, so the trade is still relevant.

Of course, it's your choice to lock the thread, do what you want but if you do it absolutely REEKS of hypocrisy. 

Edited by DaveW, 25 April 2017 - 06:31 AM.

Aaron Hicks 2017 stats so far (5/17/17): .326 BA .464 OBP .616 SLG 1.080 OPS  7 HR 19 RBI 6 SB 22 BBs 1.8WAR
 


#135 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 06:38 AM

 

Plenty of people rather high up in the org are still in the organization, so far this year, the "new" regime looks a whole lot like the old regime IMO. Same manager, the #2 FO guy is still around along with most of the scouts etc who likely gave info on this trade.

People bring up past signings, past trades, past whatever all the time! Hell, didn't you start a thread about Santana being a great pitcher? He was signed by the old regime, why bring that up

 

? Are we only allowed to talk about the "good" things that the old regime did? Additionally the Hicks trade debate has been going on for a year or so, it's interesting to follow and it's all in good fun (especially since Glunn and I have a friendly bet and everyone was telling me that there was no way Hicks could keep it up)

Of course, it's your choice to lock the thread, do what you want but if you do it absolutely REEKS of hypocrisy. 

My thread about Santana is relevant, seeing how he's the best pitcher in the Twins organization right now. And I believe my post was titled "deserve some credit". That's hardly a ringing endorsement of the old front office, merely a hat tip to acquiring a very good pitcher. And it's not as if the old front office did that very often, something we all acknowledge and talk about ad nauseum.

 

No one here has defended Murphy. He's been terrible. Hicks is long gone and has a good 40 plate appearance streak going. Before that, Hicks was also terrible.

 

My point at large is that you've been intentionally stirring the pot again, hammering at points that don't seem very relevant to the 2017 Twins or the people in charge. You can deflect all you want about how some of the same guys are still in charge but do you honestly believe the Hicks/Murphy trade would happen under Falvey and Levine? If not, what's the point of continuing this line of discussion?

 

Normally, I'd ignore this thread and post but in times like these, we clamp down on the forums because it's easy to let them spiral out of control as posters (and, frankly, we moderators and owners) get frustrated with the play of the team and create vendetta threads/posts. And that's bad for the site.

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#136 Mike Sixel

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 08:06 AM

Well, the scouts and FO types who made all these moves are still here. You know, the ones that got us Escobar and Santiago as the only returns on trades on the roster.

 

And, the new FO has given us no reason to believe they are any better at trades, have they? It's clearly early, but they did nothing on the trade front to make this team better.

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I don't know, it is a site to discuss sports, not airline safety.....maybe we should take it less seriously?


#137 DaveW

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 08:06 AM

It's still all in good fun and very tongue in cheek.

When Hicks turns into a pumpkin it will remain fun.

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#138 gunnarthor

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 08:17 AM

 

It's still all in good fun and very tongue in cheek.

When Hicks turns into a pumpkin it will remain fun.

Oh yeah, this has been a hoot and a half.

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#139 Mike Sixel

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 08:28 AM

I do think it is a silly thread, frankly.....The Hu/Jepsen trade bothers me much, much more, because I think it came when the Twins did not really need just 1 RP to be very good and get over the top. 

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I don't know, it is a site to discuss sports, not airline safety.....maybe we should take it less seriously?


#140 TheLeviathan

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 08:29 AM

I take solace in the fact that we probably would've just screwed up Hu anyway.

 

Like everything else.  :)

Edited by TheLeviathan, 25 April 2017 - 08:29 AM.

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