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Article: Who Will Be Pitching Staff's Odd Man Out?

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#21 thegambler

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Posted 12 April 2017 - 05:57 AM

Breslow has to go. He was a safety net signing, in the case our bullpen was a complete disaster. You can't expose Tonkin to waivers now, we need him long term. Breslow doesn't fit into the Twins long term plans.
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Posted 12 April 2017 - 06:03 AM

I also like to look at career stats. Breslow has been pretty horrible for the better part of his career. Tonkin has been average, with flashes of brilliance, swing and miss stuff, and some upside. Winner, Tonkin. Sorry Breslow.
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Posted 12 April 2017 - 06:06 AM

We can't let go of Haley, because we'll automatically go back to the team we got him from, correct? Doesn't he have to stay on the roster in order to keep him?

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Posted 12 April 2017 - 06:11 AM

It's really only a matter of time for Breslow and Tonkin.  Does it really matter which one stays a little longer? I'd say Duffy is next in line for closing at this point, but as Tom Points out, beyond Berrios, there aren't any SP options on the 40 man.  

 

I'm starting to be intrigued by Niko Goodrum.  He can play a lot of positions and hit a little.  Sounds kind of familiar, but at least he's a fresh face.

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Posted 12 April 2017 - 06:16 AM

Tonkin is my choice to go. He's been the low man on the depth chart for over a year now. Molitor doesn't trust him pitching anything other than low leverage innings.

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Posted 12 April 2017 - 06:23 AM

I'd vote for Breslow,maybe he clears waivers or maybe he doesn't or he could elect FA.At the current time this seems best as Molitor does not trust him.


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Posted 12 April 2017 - 06:37 AM

The Twins are in a stretch of 16 straight games right now, I'll take the minority view and say they should stay at 13 pitchers until they get thru with this stretch, or at least get thru the Indians on April 20, see how the starting pitching holds up.

 

Two or three short starts in a row, the bullpen gets overused, then they're ineffective when they're really needed -- sound familiar?? Stay with 13 for awhile. 

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Posted 12 April 2017 - 06:37 AM

Curious, what are the Twins really losing if they lose Tonkin? I'd be ok moving on from him and keeping Breslow for the time being. Bringing up Vargas makes too much sense at this point to help balance the roster and give the bench a solid bat. Plus, Vargas has always murdered lefties (not literally, or at least I hadn't seen that) and a healthy Vargas would have helped the lineup yesterday more than Chris Giminez would have.

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Posted 12 April 2017 - 06:42 AM

Duffey looked positively lethal out of the 'pen against the White Sox. I hope the team keeps him in that role, and uses him in high leverage situations - it seems to be his best fit. 

 

If that's ultimately the role Duffey takes on - Tonkin is ancillary and could likely be let go. 

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Posted 12 April 2017 - 06:42 AM

Also, Molitor needs to find spots to use Breslow and Tonkin, see what he's got. Then when the time comes - soon - to cut a pitcher, it will be obvious who should go, if one fails. And if neither one does, thats a good problem to have.

 

Breslow is a left-handed specialist, he should be able to bring him in every other game to get out one batter. See if he can do it. If not, he's out. Same with Tonkin, find him a meaningful inning here and there, don't keep going to the same old reliables.


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Posted 12 April 2017 - 06:48 AM

Most likely both Tonkin and Breslow are out within a few weeks; and Vargas and another RP (maybe Chagois) take their places. The extra 40-man spot will go to Park so when he's off the DL it'll be easy to bring him up when needed.

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Posted 12 April 2017 - 06:51 AM

 

Duffey looked positively lethal out of the 'pen against the White Sox. I hope the team keeps him in that role, and uses him in high leverage situations - it seems to be his best fit. 

 

If that's ultimately the role Duffey takes on - Tonkin is ancillary and could likely be let go. 

 

Agreed.  If Duffy's taken over 7th inning duties, Belisle/Pressley are there to handle the 8th, and Haley's the mop-up guy, then what is Tonkin's role?  I can see keeping Breslow only because he's a veteran lefty, and they can often bring value in a mid-season trade.  It might help to have a backup for Rogers in that role also, in case something happens to him.  

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Posted 12 April 2017 - 07:06 AM

I don't believe the league figured out Duffey or that he can't be an effective starter because of his pitch mix.  I think he threw poorly last year with little command of his pitches and that no one would have liked him as a reliever the way he was throwing either. I am fine with him being a reliever now but have no concerns about him starting.  

 I have always liked Breslow but he seems like the obvious choice. We do have a long stretch of games and you do need mop up guys. If we are still complaining about our relievers not being used enough to justify having 13 pitchers I will be pretty happy because it will mean our rotation is doing a good job. I fear the opposite. If our outfielders would just start to hit we wouldn't need a deep bench.   

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Posted 12 April 2017 - 07:14 AM

Breslow or Haley for me.

 

I might do Haley now just to rip the Band-Aid off and get it over with. I don't think it's a good idea to try to keep him all year. Best case scenario is he's an expendable back of the rotation starter. Worst case is he's a bullpen righty with a 91 MPH FB, he just doesn't have the velocity to make it work. At least with Ryan Pressly and J.R. Graham there was some long shot projection as they could bring mid-90's heat.

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Posted 12 April 2017 - 07:19 AM

The baseball chief and the general manager have a plan for this team.  A big part of that plan is to hire their own manager.  The easiest way to delete the current manager is to allow him to lose..... a lot.  Any roster moves they may make at this time will not be designed to make the team better.


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Posted 12 April 2017 - 07:27 AM

When I watch Tonkin, I see a straight-as-an-arrow fastball with less than stellar command. Because of the command with the fastball he really doesn't get much swing and miss on his breaking ball. MLB hitters can sit on the fastball and if its over, crush it. This hasn't improved in 3 years of sometimes limited MLB experience. He is not mis-used in my opinion. If he was excelling in a low leverage role he would be moved into a higher leverage role.

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Posted 12 April 2017 - 07:31 AM

Don't teams typically start a new season with extra SP's? The theory being, SP's aren't stretched out enough yet. My theory is: if you have a job that starts at a specific date, you should already be prepared for that job, that time, that date. Silly me.....

late and semi-prepared usually gets it done for me. Ah blissfully self employed. I would dump Breslow

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Posted 12 April 2017 - 07:32 AM

I am not one who thinks it is a challenge unless you want to flip a coin between Haley and Breslow - neither are necessary or showing the upside we need.  Haley was supposed to be a long man in the pen, but if he can only do one inning we have nothing to gain.  Move him, use Duffey more in that role, get Vargas up, send down Santana and bring up a true fourth outfielder.  

Eventually we will need a 3B defensive player who can hit and Sano will move to DH or 1B.  The Twins should be lining up their options.


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Posted 12 April 2017 - 07:34 AM

 

The baseball chief and the general manager have a plan for this team.  A big part of that plan is to hire their own manager.  The easiest way to delete the current manager is to allow him to lose..... a lot.  Any roster moves they may make at this time will not be designed to make the team better.

 

Disagree strongly with your take. If they're making moves in April designed to tank the season, then they hired the wrong people to run a front office. Molitor's contract is over at the end of the season. No reason to conspire against him in order to hire a different manager. 

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Posted 12 April 2017 - 08:02 AM

I guess I'm too old to understand the 21St century front office methods. I would have thought a front office would asemble the best players they could and let their manager do the best he can. But from what I read in TD articles and reader posts is that the front office dictates how many pitchers and how many hiters the team will carry. That makes no sense to me. Is there any purpose for having a manager? Let computers dictate all the moves.
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