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Article: Report From The Fort: Berrios Gone, Duffey v. Mejia

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#1 John Bonnes

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Posted 25 March 2017 - 12:33 PM

The place to be this morning for Twins baseball nerds was Boston’s minor league fields to see Tyler Duffey and Adalberto Mejia, both battling for a shot at the fifth starters role, pitched in AA and AAA games respectively. This afternoon, we learned that the matchup meant even more than we thought as leading fifth starter candidate, Jose Berrios, was optioned to the minors.The baseball nerds swarmed this morning; just ask Twins CBO Derek Falvey, Manager Paul Molitor, Director of Baseball Research Jack Goin, scouts, players, most of the Twins Cities baseball media nerds and several Twins Daily supporters. They were almost all huddled around picnic tables behind the backstop with notebooks and radar guns.

Then, this afternoon, we found out that Jose Berrios, who had spent most of his time this March with the Puerto Rico WBC baseball team, was optioned to the minors. He just wasn’t going to be able to get the pitch counts in that he needed to be ready for the regular season.

Jumping between minor league games that were all of 20 yards from each other was fun, and I'll give more details, but let’s jump to the results. Duffey had a helluva game versus those AA hitters. He went 6 innings on (by my count) 82 pitches, struck out ten, walked one, gave up four hits and one unearned run. (I’m counting a long fly ball that hit the left fielder's glove an E7. Others saw it as a wind-aided double. That would be fifth hit and an earned run.)

I didn’t see much of Adalberto Mejia, and I don’t have final numbers. I do know that he had a rough second inning that was described as “flukey.” He gave up four runs in that inning, including a home run that was described as “wind aided”. I should note, for the most part, Duffey’s batters were hitting into the wind today and Mejia’s had it at their back. I should however also note that Duffey's fourth inning started with a double and a single both of which were easy fly balls if not for the wind blowing them towards the foul line.

Mejia, however, struck out six of the first eight batters he faced. He also hit 94 a few times in the later innings. It was a decent outing, and showed why people are starting to get excited to see what Mejia can do this year.

Both starters sounded very satisfied with their outings and I don't think either one disqualified themselves from another start. It remains to be seen if the Twins will/can find innings for them both in one more spring training start. Personally, I'd love to see it.
Feel free to give your initial reaction below. We’ll be back later tonight with a detailed breakdown of what I learned (and what is still confusing ) from watching Duffey’s start this morning.

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Posted 25 March 2017 - 12:43 PM

Most will probably rail about the front office for sending Berrios down, but I'm not one of them. #1 Berrios (and Chargois, yesterday's news) need to find their groove in AAA, then be brought back up. As some commented in the Chargois thread, this is (at least partially) what option years are for. #2 Also as some commented in the Chargois thread, hold the players accountable. Berrios hasn't gotten the innings and Duffey & Mejia have performed well. Chargois was not only bad, he wasn't showing signs of getting the kinks worked out. #3 Put some faith in Falvine. They not only are known for their pitching acumen (well, as least Falvey is), they bring perspective from outside the organization and what the Indians and Rangers thought of these guys.

 

P.S. Thank you, John, for being there and being our eyes on the ground in Florida. It's great to have the news you provide!

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Posted 25 March 2017 - 01:05 PM

I'm not surprised about Berrios. Not sure how I feel about it yet, but I'm not surprised. I think the writing was on the wall with the lack of innings he was getting in the WBC. It's unfortunate a player is 'penalized' for wanting to represent his country in the tournament, but at this time of year I'm not sure what else can be done or expected. But that's a discussion for a different thread.
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Posted 25 March 2017 - 01:11 PM

The results were known regarding Berrios (and Vargas, wait for the announcement) from the point they made the choice to be in the WBC and mostly sit, instead of staying back and fight for a position.The jury on whether Santiago is stretched enough to star, after being a reliever with PR in the WBC, is still out.Tonight's game against Baltimore will be telling.if he cannot go 6 innings, I would not be surprised if he starts the season in the pen, with both Duffey and Mejia making the rotation, and then switching with Duffey, when Falvine discover that he is not a starter and would better help the team as a reliever.

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Posted 25 March 2017 - 01:23 PM

Then, this afternoon, we found out that Jose Berrios, who had spent most of his time this March with the Puerto Rico WBC baseball team, was optioned to the minors. He just wasn’t going to be able to get the pitch counts in that he needed to be ready for the regular season.

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Posted 25 March 2017 - 01:27 PM

That's a bummer. I'd like to see Mejia get the spot now with Duffey in the bullpen.

 

It's nice to see the team's highest upside starter and reliever down in AAA, even though both have previous MLB experience...


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Posted 25 March 2017 - 01:40 PM

 

 

It's nice to see the team's highest upside starter and reliever down in AAA, even though both have previous MLB experience...

 

Well... Berrios did it to himself. He realized that he would not pitch enough with Puerto Rico to be stretched enough to be a starter for the Twins by opening day, and still did it.

 

The teams' highest upside relievers (Burdi and Jay) are in AA.Chargois had really horrible command of his fastball.Unless he regains it, he will suck.And it will be less consequential for the Twins for him to do that in AAA vs in the majors.

 

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Posted 25 March 2017 - 01:55 PM

 

Well... Berrios did it to himself. He realized that he would not pitch enough with Puerto Rico to be stretched enough to be a starter for the Twins by opening day, and still did it.

 

The teams' highest upside relievers (Burdi and Jay) are in AA.Chargois had really horrible command of his fastball.Unless he regains it, he will suck.And it will be less consequential for the Twins for him to do that in AAA vs in the majors.

However we've arrived here, it's a bummer to see the team's highest upside starter and 3rd highest upside reliever in AAA then.

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Posted 25 March 2017 - 02:06 PM

I admit to not having intimate knowledge of any of them but from afar I wish Duffey and Mejia got the spots in place of Hughes.  I just don't trust arms that have had surgery being rushed back as if now everything is as good as it was two years ago. Let Hughes work his way back into quality and consistency and have him and Berrios waiting in the wings. I can pretty much guarantee the starting rotation will not be the ending rotation.

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Posted 25 March 2017 - 02:07 PM

However we've arrived here, it's a bummer to see the team's highest upside starter and 3rd highest upside reliever in AAA then.


It's both a bummer and not unexpected given the lack of work the WBC provided.
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Posted 25 March 2017 - 02:45 PM

It's both a bummer and not unexpected given the lack of work the WBC provided.

But that's my question. Are we talking about innings Berrios has pitched in games? How much game work has Hughes had?

Bonnes made it sound like there was an informal press conference so that's why I am wondering. I don't think that explanation holds. At least not by itself.

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Posted 25 March 2017 - 02:51 PM

But that's my question. Are we talking about innings Berrios has pitched in games? How much game work has Hughes had?
Bonnes made it sound like there was an informal press conference so that's why I am wondering. I don't think that explanation holds. At least not by itself.


Hughes has pitched in a more games and has had many more innings, with both ML and MiL games.

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Posted 25 March 2017 - 03:04 PM

Hughes has pitched in a more games and has had many more innings, with both ML and MiL games.

Berrios has pitched in four games, I think, and I would guess Hughes has pitched in four or five. If we are going to count Hughes's Milb scrimmage, then we should probably count whatever work Berrios did between March 12 and March 23. Did he through a good bullpen in that time? I have no idea. That's where I'm going with this. I doubt very much that Hughes has pitched "many more" innings than Berrios. It would be nice to get some more information.

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Posted 25 March 2017 - 03:13 PM

Berrios has pitched in four games, I think, and I would guess Hughes has pitched in four or five. If we are going to count Hughes's Milb scrimmage, then we should probably count whatever work Berrios did between March 12 and March 23. Did he through a good bullpen in that time? I have no idea. That's where I'm going with this. I doubt very much that Hughes has pitched "many more" innings than Berrios. It would be nice to get some more information.

It's not the number of games, it's the number of innings and pitches thrown. Just coming in as a reliever to pitch an inning or an out for a handful of pitches is not stretched out enough to be starting games on the ML level, and I have my doubts whether or not he can be in a week. Had he even started in a game? Gone even 4 innings at a time, let alone 5 or 6, up to 70 pitches? I don't know for sure what work he got in on the side, but he definitely hasn't done that in games. And while Hughes hasn't been good, Berrios hasn't really been either in smaller samples, despite the youth and upside. I'm not excited about this, I don't even like it, but imo being on team PR, while I don't blame him for being so, set him back for the start of the season. He made the decision for them. If Hughes never gets it together by the time Berrios is stretched out enough in AAA, then make the switch, as soon as possible.

Now, if they choose Duffy over Mejia, that will make me far less understanding as well as not liking it.

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Posted 25 March 2017 - 03:25 PM

 

It's not the number of games, it's the number of innings and pitches thrown. Just coming in as a reliever to pitch an inning or an out for a handful of pitches is not stretched out enough to be starting games on the ML level, and I have my doubts whether or not he can be in a week. Had he even started in a game? Gone even 4 innings at a time, let alone 5 or 6, up to 70 pitches? I don't know for sure what work he got in on the side, but he definitely hasn't done that in games. And while Hughes hasn't been good, Berrios hasn't really been either in smaller samples, despite the youth and upside. I'm not excited about this, I don't even like it, but imo being on team PR, while I don't blame him for being so, set him back for the start of the season. He made the decision for them. If Hughes never gets it together by the time Berrios is stretched out enough in AAA, then make the switch, as soon as possible.

Now, if they choose Duffy over Mejia, that will make me far less understanding as well as not liking it.

There is a lot of opinion here; that's fine. I expect you will be in the vast majority on this decision. :) I will wait for the more detailed report.

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Posted 25 March 2017 - 03:43 PM

 

I admit to not having intimate knowledge of any of them but from afar I wish Duffey and Mejia got the spots in place of Hughes.  I just don't trust arms that have had surgery being rushed back as if now everything is as good as it was two years ago. Let Hughes work his way back into quality and consistency and have him and Berrios waiting in the wings. I can pretty much guarantee the starting rotation will not be the ending rotation.

 

I do not completely disagree with this. Matter of fact, after I saw Hughes' start at Port Charlotte last week, I was disappointed with the velocity (touched 91 once) but not the results (14% SwStr%) .It was reported that in his following start he was up to 94, which makes me feel better. 

 

Here is the thing: Do I trust Duffey more than Hughes as a starter at this point?I cannot say yes, after the last 2 seasons.191 innings are enough. Duffey belongs in the pen, and I'd rather have Hughes than him in the rotation.And having Duffey over (let's say Tonkin) in the pen will help the Twins in 2017...

 

I do trust Mejia.He is a strikeout pitcher and the Twins need more than that.For me the rotation should be (in order of personal trust on particular pitchers)Santana, Gibson, Mejia, Hughes, Santiago (if he is stretched enough).

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Posted 25 March 2017 - 03:53 PM

There is a lot of opinion here; that's fine. I expect you will be in the vast majority on this decision. :) I will wait for the more detailed report.


You'll be waiting a long time methinks, if you think the FO is going to give a detailed report of why they made the decision they did. But who knows, they might choose to enlighten us thoroughly.

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Posted 25 March 2017 - 04:00 PM

 

You'll be waiting a long time methinks, if you think the FO is going to give a detailed report of why they made the decision they did. But who knows, they might choose to enlighten us thoroughly.

The Twins Daily report.

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Posted 25 March 2017 - 04:07 PM

The Twins Daily report.

Well, the TD report above did say this:

He just wasn’t going to be able to get the pitch counts in that he needed to be ready for the regular season


<shrug> I guess that says enough for me.

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Posted 25 March 2017 - 04:11 PM

 

Well, the TD report above did say this:
 

He just wasn’t going to be able to get the pitch counts in that he needed to be ready for the regular season

 

http://twinsdaily.co...mejia/?p=593730

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