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#41 Mike Sixel

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 01:43 PM

 

If the youth is going to perform like he did, probably better that they don't add it.

His spring is a huge disappointment. The spot was right there and he coughed it up.

 

In specific, I agree. In general, this team is SOL if they refuse to promote youth in principle. Given their talk and actions, I'm still waiting. 

I don't know, it is a site to discuss sports, not airline safety.....maybe we should take it less seriously?


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Posted 24 March 2017 - 01:50 PM

In specific, I agree. In general, this team is SOL if they refuse to promote youth in principle. Given their talk and actions, I'm still waiting.


You mean other than about half the roster?

Even the greatest farm system isn't going to fill out significantly more than that.
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Posted 24 March 2017 - 01:57 PM

 

You mean other than about half the roster?

Even the greatest farm system isn't going to fill out significantly more than that.

 

It should be pretty clear that I said...promote. What young player have they added, that wasn't on the roster? 

 

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Indeed, with Chargois and Berrios probably not on the roster, and JRM probably not, I think they've actually reduced the amount of young players, but we won't know for another week or so.

Edited by Mike Sixel, 24 March 2017 - 01:57 PM.

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 02:02 PM

Chargois' spring: 8.1 IP, 16H, 2HR, 3 BB, 2HBP, 8 K.

Well, there's that.

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 02:03 PM

 

Chargois' spring: 8.1 IP, 16H, 2HR, 3 BB, 2HBP, 8 K.

 

even in a world where stats don't matter, that's just bad. 

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 02:28 PM

 

Chargois' spring: 8.1 IP, 16H, 2HR, 3 BB, 2HBP, 8 K.

So he's got an SO/9 of almost 9? Awesome, but he clearly needs work.

 

No idea how long he'll be down but I suspect we'll see him pretty soon. 

I believe they are looking for him to be the full time closer no later than early next year. If he can establish value they will trade him and expect Tyler Jay to be ready by then.

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 02:34 PM

So he's got an SO/9 of almost 9? Awesome, but he clearly needs work.
 
No idea how long he'll be down but I suspect we'll see him pretty soon. 
I believe they are looking for him to be the full time closer no later than early next year. If he can establish value they will trade him and expect Tyler Jay to be ready by then.

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 02:37 PM

So he's got an SO/9 of almost 9? Awesome, but he clearly needs work.

No idea how long he'll be down but I suspect we'll see him pretty soon.
I believe they are looking for him to be the full time closer no later than early next year. If he can establish value they will trade him and expect Tyler Jay to be ready by then.


I agree, he should be back up relatively quickly, but I'd pump the brakes on the other two points.
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Posted 24 March 2017 - 02:37 PM

So he's got an SO/9 of almost 9? Awesome, but he clearly needs work.

No idea how long he'll be down but I suspect we'll see him pretty soon.
I believe they are looking for him to be the full time closer no later than early next year. If he can establish value they will trade him and expect Tyler Jay to be ready by then.

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Have you read the posts on this thread? That was extremely restrained.

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 02:38 PM

 

I agree, he should be back up relatively quickly, but I'd pump the brakes on the other two points.

OK. I'll push them back a year.

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Posted 25 March 2017 - 11:38 AM

Yeah, it's hard to predict what will happen in a few innings' time but there are a few things a manager can do to create a more flexible bullpen.

For example, it's the sixth inning of a tie game. The bases are loaded with no outs.

Call in your best reliever. Just do it. And teach your relievers that those situations will occasionally arise. They're the "eighth inning guy" 90% of the time but when an obviously critical situation arises earlier in the game, they should be ready to get the team out of the jam.

Far too often we've seen that kind of sixth inning situation pitched by the "sixth inning guy", which makes zero sense. Deal with the later disaster situations when they arise, if they arise at all. Use your best guys earlier in the game when it makes sense.

The manager doesn't need to do that often but there's some wiggle room in there I'd like to see explored more often; the "obviously critical" points of a game we all see unfold once every couple of weeks.


When, in that situation, did you get your best reliever up and Warming?

If you waited until it was high leverage to do so, it's too late. So you had to have had your best reliever warming to start the 6th. And you'll need to do the same for each of the next 2 innings too, at which point he's unusable tomorrow.

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Posted 25 March 2017 - 12:08 PM

When, in that situation, did you get your best reliever up and Warming?

If you waited until it was high leverage to do so, it's too late. So you had to have had your best reliever warming to start the 6th. And you'll need to do the same for each of the next 2 innings too, at which point he's unusable tomorrow.


What if tomorrow is a 12-3 blowout?
I'm not a fan of saving guys for a situation that may never arise.
Win the game that you are in, worry about tomorrow's game tomorrow.

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Posted 25 March 2017 - 12:27 PM

 

When, in that situation, did you get your best reliever up and Warming?

If you waited until it was high leverage to do so, it's too late. So you had to have had your best reliever warming to start the 6th. And you'll need to do the same for each of the next 2 innings too, at which point he's unusable tomorrow.

 

I don't think you can even do that do a reliever except on really rare occasions. Once a reliever gets warm really quickly and isn't used, he can't just sit down and warm up multiple times before coming in. Recipe for injury. He either comes in that inning or starts the next one or isn't going to be available that day and often not the next day either. 

 

That is not a sustainable use of reliever resources. That is why roles develop, either by plan or organically.

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Posted 25 March 2017 - 12:30 PM

What if tomorrow is a 12-3 blowout?
I'm not a fan of saving guys for a situation that may never arise.
Win the game that you are in, worry about tomorrow's game tomorrow.


You haven't answered the question. When do you start warming your best reliever? Do you use him if not needed?

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Posted 25 March 2017 - 01:05 PM

When, in that situation, did you get your best reliever up and Warming?

If you waited until it was high leverage to do so, it's too late. So you had to have had your best reliever warming to start the 6th. And you'll need to do the same for each of the next 2 innings too, at which point he's unusable tomorrow.


I won't speak for Brock but what I'd do is use score as proxy for leverage. Tie game being the highest, +1 next, -1, next, and so on.

With a "lineup" for each score. Pressly and Rogers are #1 and 2 respectively in a tie or +1 score. Double barreled warm up with whoever matches up to batter handedness entering first. This is assuming the opponent is a conventional L-R-L-R lineup and not heavily platooned against the starter. In that event keep the opposite handed guy on the bench obviously.

In a +/- 3 run game, ie. low leverage, the lineup would be virtually flip flopped. With Belisle or Tonkin first out of the gate.

Basically, pitch to the score.

Well, there's that.

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Posted 25 March 2017 - 03:27 PM

I won't speak for Brock but what I'd do is use score as proxy for leverage. Tie game being the highest, +1 next, -1, next, and so on.

With a "lineup" for each score. Pressly and Rogers are #1 and 2 respectively in a tie or +1 score. Double barreled warm up with whoever matches up to batter handedness entering first. This is assuming the opponent is a conventional L-R-L-R lineup and not heavily platooned against the starter. In that event keep the opposite handed guy on the bench obviously.

In a +/- 3 run game, ie. low leverage, the lineup would be virtually flip flopped. With Belisle or Tonkin first out of the gate.

Basically, pitch to the score.

Fair enough, but on Brock's situation, there already was a pitcher in the game, who has now loaded the bases. You'd be bringing in someone mid-inning, so you need time for him to get ready.

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Posted 25 March 2017 - 04:28 PM

Fair enough, but on Brock's situation, there already was a pitcher in the game, who has now loaded the bases. You'd be bringing in someone mid-inning, so you need time for him to get ready.

In Brock's scenario you get Pressly up same time as you would otherwise. After the first baserunner gets into scoring position probably.

So, if the next batter doesn't load the bases, but hits an RBI double, the score's now -2 but the high leverage guy Pressly's already warming. He pitches, but the lineup changes to -2 until the score changes again.

Play the odds. A runner on second base is going to need, on average, 2-3 batters to step to the plate before someone gets a hit. About a quarter of the time the first guy will get him in.

Well, there's that.

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Posted 25 March 2017 - 05:14 PM

 

When, in that situation, did you get your best reliever up and Warming?

If you waited until it was high leverage to do so, it's too late. So you had to have had your best reliever warming to start the 6th. And you'll need to do the same for each of the next 2 innings too, at which point he's unusable tomorrow.

After warming three times it's not just tomorrow. He might be unusable for tonight's game too. 

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