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Article: Tyler Jay Shifting To The Bullpen (Minor League Notebook)

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#21 Bark's Lounge

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 05:56 PM

To be honest, who cares about Jay, hopefully he will be a shut down reliever. He was selected under Ryan's watch - a watch that didn't seem very useful anymore. Let's see if the new guys can do better.

 

Really, what else is there to say?

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 06:03 PM

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 06:09 PM

 

Slegers wasn't a first round pick and Wimmers got hurt. Perkins is an acceptable outcome where he was picked.

You should definitely want more out of a #6 pick, even if Jay becomes a dominant reliever. And there was clear alternatives at the time.

 

Wimmers' injury isn't why he hasn't panned out. He's never been that good in the minors, before or after Tommy John, and only recently has started looking like maybe he can still squeak out a career as bullpen filler. It was a pretty rough draft after that pick though, so it's hard to blame them too much. Just adds to the frustration though.


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Posted 18 March 2017 - 06:21 PM

It's an interesting idea lots of us have been wondering about for years. Teams like Cardinals promote a guy quickly or use him in the MLB pen, then convert back to starter later on. 

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 06:26 PM

"The aggregator" quoted this article. Fun to read it here first

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 06:34 PM

Johan started in the pen, and wasn't a full-time starter until he was 25. 

 

Not saying Jay is Santana, but get him experience now, or soon as a 22 year old vs. major league hitters, no saying he won't move to spot starting, then starting full time down the road.

 

Power lefty arms are always of interest to me.

 

Good point HBD ^^^

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 06:51 PM

To be honest, who cares about Jay, hopefully he will be a shut down reliever. He was selected under Ryan's watch - a watch that didn't seem very useful anymore. Let's see if the new guys can do better.

Really, what else is there to say?


Concur. The guy who made that pick is gone. Sucks, but it is what it is.

I hope they never take another reliever with the idea of making him a starter again. Every single one failed.
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Posted 18 March 2017 - 06:56 PM

It's an interesting idea lots of us have been wondering about for years. Teams like Cardinals promote a guy quickly or use him in the MLB pen, then convert back to starter later on.


Yeah but those guys you're thinking of were, you know, starters before they were called up and sent to the pen.

Thinking that Jay, who hasn't pitched more than 83 innings in a season would transition back to a starter is IMO, preposterous.
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Posted 18 March 2017 - 07:18 PM

yeah, not sure about why they are making the move so soon... and if he's a reliever, that is very a much a wasted pick. 

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 07:25 PM

We draft bullpen pitchers to generate starters, we load up with Burdi, Reed, Hilgenberg...as the relief staff of the future and we think of a rotation of great arms and prospects.  Then we take two of the top prospects and put them back in relief with a truckload of other relief prospects, none of which we want to bring to the majors and this is supposed to give us a feeling of future greatness.  Good god what the hell is this all about. Wasn't is supposed to be Jay, Gonsalves, Berrios, Mejia, Romero - the rotation of the future.

 

Maybe we are so into the new relief corp idea that we are going to have specialist that start in the second inning and carry on one per inning through the nine.  No starters, just a mess of relievers.  Maybe a roster of 16 pitchers and a starting nine.

 

I guess I might have given away the fact that this is not news that makes me really happy.

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 07:26 PM

 

Concur. The guy who made that pick is gone. Sucks, but it is what it is.

I hope they never take another reliever with the idea of making him a starter again. Every single one failed.

Agreed. Jay now should be able to move through the system pretty quickly and give us a quality arm in the BP... unless he gets the Nick Burdi sydrome. NO!!!!!!

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 07:46 PM

I for one am shocked that the Twins took the obvious wrong player in the first round at it backfired on them miserably.

Revere, Hicks, Jay, Gibson, etc

Worst front office in all of sports the last decade.
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Posted 18 March 2017 - 07:47 PM

yeah, not sure about why they are making the move so soon... and if he's a reliever, that is very a much a wasted pick.

Funny thing is the guy picked one spot behind is now the #1 prospect in all of baseball.
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Posted 18 March 2017 - 07:48 PM

Nah, this makes sense though. 

 

Bring Jay up quickly and let him deal with MLB hitters. 

 

NOthing wrong with that.If, in the end, he has the stuff and make-up and the stamina to be a starter, it won't be missed or ignored.He can rise to his level this way.

 

On the draft, yeah, prolly Twins were swayed by their own need for a lefty thrower.How that got translated to Jay is another question.

 

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 07:52 PM

 

Before the draft: "Just give me the PITCHER with the highest upside".

After it doesn't work out: "#@&$%@$&^%#"

Was he really that guy though? I honestly don't remember him being thought of as a steal at #6. I seem to recall him being rated in the mid-teens, behind a few guys that went after him. 

 

Followup question: how often does a a college reliever become a frontline rotation piece? Common or a longshot?

 

 

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 07:54 PM

This team is gonna be terrible this year and likely next, why exactly do we need to rush Jay to the majors to pitch out of the bullpen again?

This org continues to appear to have absolutely no clue in what they are doing, and the results continue to show it.
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Posted 18 March 2017 - 07:55 PM

Great news on Stewart, seems short sighted on Jay and Twins part. Season hasn't even started yet and the kids going to the pen
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Posted 18 March 2017 - 07:55 PM

Was he really that guy though? I honestly don't remember him being thought of as a steal at #6. I seem to recall him being rated in the mid-teens, behind a few guys that went after him.

Followup question: how often does a a college reliever become a frontline rotation piece? Common or a longshot?


It's dumb, the Twins continue to try this failed method time and time again, just like they did when they were obsessed with drafting undersized, zero pop hitters like revere 50 picks too early.
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Posted 18 March 2017 - 08:00 PM

If Jay's ceiling as a reliever is elite then it is still not a wasted pick. Is a shutdown reliever a valued commodity?

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 08:03 PM

 

It's dumb, the Twins continue to try this failed method time and time again, just like they did when they were obsessed with drafting undersized, zero pop hitters like revere 50 picks too early.

Who'd you like better, Denard Garbe or Aaron Revere? 




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