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#31 Thrylos

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 12:57 PM

Ok. Pineda is 21 (and will be 22 the coming November) but he just signed a pro contract March of 2011. The reason he has been in the GCL was probably mostly for getting him used to the US, among other things, because that is where the Red Sox (and the Twins) are getting their foreign players.

I did a mini scouting report of Pineda here, if you care.
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Posted 05 August 2012 - 12:57 PM

I don't see how it's possible to dislike this trade. Considering Valencia has little-to-no trade value, and the fact that Valencia wasn't going to be a starter here, getting a guy that's hitting .421/.534/.981 in the rookie leagues right now is a pretty good return.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 12:58 PM

Do you think he would have been productive for the Twins? That is the appropriate question.


Not up to his 2010 standards, but he's certainly better than he's shown this year.

Yeah, he probably wouldn't have been productive here. Tough to be when you're in Gardy's doghouse.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 12:58 PM

I don't have a problem with the move -- Valencia's days in Minnesota were numbered anyway. Hopefully Pineda has enough potential upside to justify trading away someone who, at best, might be a ML journeyman but it sounds like that is "iffy" (not to mention the whole question of whether Pineda is really 21 playing in an 18 and 19 years old dominated league or whether he may be more like 22 or 23 playing there -- I'm so skeptical about everyone from the Dominican). I DO have a problem with Dick-Bert talking like the prospect is the 2nd coming and failing to mention (at least as far as heard) just how many steps away from the bigs the GCL is.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 12:59 PM

but does this organization need any more slappy, singles hitting outfield prospects? (as someone described him earlier) or can he actually hit for some power?

Edited by jm3319, 05 August 2012 - 01:02 PM.


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Posted 05 August 2012 - 12:59 PM

Do you think he would have been productive for the Twins? That is the appropriate question.

I don't. I think we saw enough to know his defense and hitting were both below average. Maybe it's in him somewhere to be a better player, but the Twins gave him plenty of chances.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 01:02 PM

Must have enough confidence that Plouffe will continue his progression as a hitter.



Or enough confidence that Valencia will continue being A-Rod with No talent. Worst swing in baseball!

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 01:02 PM

PER Mlbtrade rumors.

The Red Sox have acquired third baseman Danny Valencia from the Twins for minor league outfielder Jeremias Pineda, both teams have announced. Valencia will report to Triple-A Pawtucket while Pineda will report to the Gulf Coast League Twins.

Valencia has strugged this season hitting .198/.212/.310 in two tours with the Twins. He has also played 69 games for Triple-A Rochester batting .250/.289/.399. Valencia, originally selected by the Twins in the 19th round of the 2006 First-Year Player Draft, had an impressive Major League rookie season in 2010 with a slash line of .311/.351/.448, but has seen his numbers drop steadily since.
Pineda is a 21-year-old outfielder from the Dominican Republic who has never played above Rookie ball. Pineda, a switch-hitter, is leading the Gulf Coast League in batting (.421). Over his two professional seasons in the Red Sox organization, Pineda has a slash line of .321/.380/.423 in 70 games between the Dominican Summer League Red Sox and the GCL.


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Posted 05 August 2012 - 01:03 PM

I can't help but think this move is a little risky. It is not like Danny was horrible when he was sent back down to AAA, and the Twins seems to have a plethora of outfielders like this Pineda fellow. At the very least, in the short term it certainly hurts the Twins depth. But, y'ah know, maybe it will be worth it in the long term, we shall see.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 01:03 PM

Thanks for the mini-scouting report Thrylos.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 01:04 PM

Does anyone know why he didn't sign a pro contract until he was 20 (or almost 20)?

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 01:05 PM

Trade makes a ton of sense for the Twins, with the emergence of Plouffe they had no need for Valencia and he most likely would have been cut after the season as well. It's disappointing that Valencia started playing this horribly this year, really thought we had our 3rd baseman of the future a couple years ago, but the Twins certainly gave him his chances and he simply doesn't hit enough to justify his mediocre defense at 3rd base. Pineda intrigues me because he is young and apparently can hit and has some speed. Nice to get a decent upside (long ways away) guy for Valencia instead of some AAAA retread.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 01:06 PM

edit sorry didn't see the other thread, please lock up?

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 01:09 PM

Good. I don't even really care what the Twins got in return. It was time to clear Danny off the 40 man. It was clear he had no future with Minneosta.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 01:11 PM

Especially one that hit .188 last season in rookie ball.


Career .321/.380/.423 hitter, plus he has shown a significant improvement this year.

The Twins weren't getting anything great in return for Valencia, and he wasn't going to be around next year most likely. Good riddance. At least we got someone who could be projectible.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 01:12 PM

The past hatred for Valencia and the current hatred around here of trading Valencia for an OF prospect is pretty funny.


I don't see a lot of hatred of the trade in the thread.

The question is whether you can call Pineda "an OF prospect."

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 01:15 PM

I can't help but think this move is a little risky. It is not like Danny was horrible when he was sent back down to AAA, and the Twins seems to have a plethora of outfielders like this Pineda fellow. At the very least, in the short term it certainly hurts the Twins depth. But, y'ah know, maybe it will be worth it in the long term, we shall see.


He had a .688 OPS in AAA this year and had no future with the team.

The Twins did the right thing, they got rid of someone with zero future for 2013 on the team and now they can give those at-bats to other players to evaluate where they fit. I'm guessing we start seeing Alexi in the lineup nearly every day as sort of a last audition for them to keep him around, or maybe this opens up a spot for Escobar sooner.

Ideally we can move Carroll as well this month, though if we are stuck with him next year it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 01:15 PM

I don't see a lot of hatred of the trade in the thread.


Shhhh, don't ruin his narrative.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 01:16 PM

They must really be convinced that Plouffe is going to play well enough to dump Valencia. Not that I disagree with the move, just think its putting a lot of faith in a guy they can't be certain about.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 01:18 PM

Don't forget that Deibison Romero at AA used to be on the 40 man roster, and he is hitting .270 with 15 homers. He might finish the season with close to 20. He should certainly be the Twins' AAA 3rd baseman next year, and could be called up to fill in if Plouffe has more hand problems. I'm not sure if he bats right or left. Also, I'm not sure of his defense, but before he was injured about 3 years ago, he was considered a legit prospect, and it looks like he is working his way back to that status. So, I'm not surprised Valencia was traded, because Romero would have pushed him aside for the AAA spot next season. Now, Romero might also be a 6 year free agent after this season--I'm not sure, but I would think the Twins would do everything they could to keep him as insurance next season at 3rd.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 01:21 PM

They must really be convinced that Plouffe is going to play well enough to dump Valencia. Not that I disagree with the move, just think its putting a lot of faith in a guy they can't be certain about.


Plouffe destroyed AAA in 2011, and has mashed the ball in 2012. Even in the majors last year he still posted a 91 OPS+. Its a bit of a no brainer that Plouffe will play better then Valencia moving foward.

Valencia had a 0.5 WAR last year and a -.7 WAR this year, at this point Carroll can match his production at third base or any number of AAAA players they could grab off the waiver wire.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 01:28 PM

Don't forget that Deibison Romero at AA used to be on the 40 man roster, and he is hitting .270 with 15 homers. He might finish the season with close to 20. He should certainly be the Twins' AAA 3rd baseman next year, and could be called up to fill in if Plouffe has more hand problems. I'm not sure if he bats right or left. Also, I'm not sure of his defense, but before he was injured about 3 years ago, he was considered a legit prospect, and it looks like he is working his way back to that status. So, I'm not surprised Valencia was traded, because Romero would have pushed him aside for the AAA spot next season. Now, Romero might also be a 6 year free agent after this season--I'm not sure, but I would think the Twins would do everything they could to keep him as insurance next season at 3rd.

Romero will be 26 nxt yr & is a 6yr FA. He is a righthanded hitter & having a very solid AA yr. Also think he'll be resigned/40 manned & be the AAA 3B next yr

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 01:49 PM

The Twins have now traded about 15% of the active jewish ball players in baseball this year.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 01:57 PM

Nishi to the Twins in Cleveland. Oh boy!

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 02:21 PM

Do you think it's possible Valencia was traded becuase he didn't perform, and not because "he has personality"? Geez. We won't know if we got anything for him until perhaps next year. That'll be mildly interesting.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 02:30 PM

From JoeC's trade announcement blurb in the STrib:

“It wasn’t a matter where we were down on him or anything else,” (Rob) Antony said. “It was just a situation where this might be a better opportunity for him.”

Yeah...you weren't down on him.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 02:33 PM

Here's a pro tip: If you are going to have a ****ty attitude and be a ballplayer, at least make sure you are a good ball player so that the team will have a reason to put up with your crap. That is why teams lived with Jeff Kent and Luke Scott and why guys like JD "The Readl Deal" Durbin and Valencia were let go.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 02:58 PM

Here's a pro tip:

If you are going to have a ****ty attitude and be a ballplayer, at least make sure you are a good ball player so that the team will have a reason to put up with your crap. That is why teams lived with Jeff Kent and Luke Scott and why guys like JD "The Readl Deal" Durbin and Valencia were let go.



Amen. Good riddance....if this guy he was traded for has a 1% chance of doing anything productive for the Twins down the road, then this was a great trade. My guess is that either Valencia showed no change in his attitude/character this time around, or he possibly did something that was the last straw for the Twins. Valencia had NO FUTURE with Twins after Plouffe's return.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 04:06 PM

If you are going to have a ****ty attitude and be a ballplayer,.


. My guess is that either Valencia showed no change in his attitude/character this time around.


So I trust that both of you either know Danny Valencia personally or know someone in the Twins' clubhouse who knows him to speak first hand of his attitude...

Please enlighten us.
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Posted 05 August 2012 - 04:14 PM

So I trust that both of you either know Danny Valencia personally or know someone in the Twins' clubhouse who knows him to speak first hand of his attitude...

Please enlighten us.

There have been reports in the past with his attitude, there have been articles on it and I believe Nick Nelson (who has his sources) at one point said this was the case as well.

I'm not going to waste my time looking through the archives. Either way, Valencia was simply not a good ball player and didn't fit into the future plans.